It’s Supernatural

SID: Look, I believe in miracles, but you are stretching me, Bill McKay! Were you stretched? You believe in miracles, but were you stretched on these miracles?

BILL: In some cases, yes. I live in a physical world. I do believe that there is a God, and that He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and He certainly would have opportunity to intervene in the course of men’s events. But when you hear some of these stories, if I couldn’t journalistically authenticate them to the detail we did, I wouldn’t include them in the film. In fact, I hired Michael Greenspan who worked for the BBC, who worked for CNN, himself was an agnostic. This isn’t a group of Christians that were going in to try to find stories that would buttress our theories on why Israel survived. We wanted to take a hard-nosed, journalistic look at this; turn over every rock, ask every question, prove every point. Now obviously, you can’t quantify a miracle in a test tube, but we could gather all the facts. The basic thesis of the film is to say to the audience “You decide”. We’ll give you every fact, we’ll give you every story that we know, but you must draw your on conclusions at the end of the day.

SID: There’s one miracle… There’s so many miracles we’d like to show you right now, but there’s one in particular. It’s got to do with a French hill. Tell me about that.

BILL: In the Six Day War, the Israelis understood the importance of Jerusalem. At that time the city was divided, as it had been since 1948, and the great dream, the great hope of many Jews around the world was that Jerusalem would be united again as the City of David. On that purpose, a group of nine Israeli soldiers were commissioned to find a back route into Jerusalem, so their tanks could follow in purposes of taking east Jerusalem. A group of soldiers were moving up through an area called French Hill, and as they crested the hill, they realized they were being surrounded by 250 Jordanian soldiers. Now Sid, what’s really important to know is two things…

SID: Wait a second, how many Israelis?

BILL: Nine.

SID: How many Jordanians? Jordanian soldiers, that was the elite army.

BILL: Of the Arab armies, this was the one that terrorized the Jews the most, because these guys were tough warriors. And more than that, there was a savagery, if you will, much like when the Americans used to fight the Indians. The Jordanians would go into a lather, and they would chant. It wasn’t just enough to kill the Israelis, it was the torture and mayhem and violence that they could inflict. So when the Israelis were surrounded, they made a covenant that no man would be taken alive. They were going to fight to the death. So the dug in on French Hill, and the Jordanians were going into their war whoop, if you will, engendering a level of violence so that they could commit the atrocities they were seeking in their own pleasure of war-making. When they got within 30 feet of the Israelis, they threw down their weapons.

SID: Why?

BILL: In that moment – and every one told the story afterwards when they were debrief by the Mossad – as they got within 30 feet of the Israelis, they saw father Abraham. Now the Israelis could not see Abraham, but they could hear the Arabs crying out “Abu! Abu Ibrahim! Abu Ibrahim!” And they recognized something was going on. 250 soldiers are crying out the name of father Abraham. Simultaneously, they threw their weapons down at the feet of the Israelis. Now the Israelis are expecting death and destruction, and in that moment, they were paralyzed.

SID: I might add, on those odds, there was not one chance the Israelis would survive. They were going to die, not a death, a brutal death. Let’s take a look at this reenactment.

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When they came to about, I would say 200 meters, roughly towards us, the next thing, they stopped, and you could see there was this panic. They started to shout “Abu Ibrahim!”

“Abu Ibrahim, abu Ibrahim”, which in Arabic means “father Abraham.” To us it didn’t mean a thing. We thought most probably it’s a soldier calling to the other side, by the name of Ibrahim, which is a very common name.

That really was unexplainable. But, there was one Jordanian that was caught from the group.
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SID: That’s only one of the many miracles that are in this special DVD, “Against All Odds.” Bill McKay, when Israeli soldiers see this video, what happens?

BILL: I had an interesting experience. In the 2006 Lebanon war, which just took place a couple of years ago, I got a phone call one day from a buddy of mine who was my line producer, an Israeli, and he was on the way to the front lines. 32 years old, and the young boys had collapsed. They had no stamina, so they brought back the veterans. His assignment with his unit was to go in and kill the Hamas leadership.
He said “The first night we went in, we were so terrorized. We were out of shape. The fear factor was unlike anything I’d ever known. We literally had no capability. We came back out of Gaza that night
to our base camp on the Israeli side, and I realized I had the DVDs from “Against All Odds” in my trunk. I went to my commander and pleaded with him and said ‘Can I show these DVDs on my laptop to my buddies before we go back into Gaza?’” At first the commander was resistant, and then he finally relented, and all of these Israeli soldiers, in 2006, were sitting around in the middle of the night, in the desert, looking at these DVDs that you just saw. And he said “As they were watching it” – - now these are all secular guys – he said “The Spirit of the Lord came upon them. We believed that we could take the land back. In the middle of the night, we left our laptops, we went right back into Gaza. With the power of God’s Spirit upon us, we killed 100 of the leaders of Hamas.”

SID: You want to talk about courage? We were listening a bit about Abraham showing up. Abraham says in Genesis the 12th chapter in his seed… God says to Abraham “In your seed, all nations will be blessed.” Who was blessed from the seed of Abraham? Jesus is the seed. He’s blessed you. Receive it now.