Sid:  Now One New Man has a name, Jesus, Yeshua the King of the Jews and when the two when the wall of separation comes down between this Jewish believer and the Gentile believer and these two spiritual DNAs emerge together we get as Paul is just ecstatic I can just picture him saying this in the Chapter in the book of Ephesians, the full dwelling place of God by His Spirit.  And then we will do the same works that Yeshua, but Jesus did and even greater.  What’s the purpose of the works?  What’s the purpose of the miracles?  For a miracle, for a healing, oh that’s good, that’s great especially if you’re sick, but no it’s to demonstrate the Kingdom of heaven so that the world can know the King.  That’s the purpose of a miracle, for the greatest miracle.  And that’s why we equip you for walking in signs and wonders, but part of the equipping is to understand the times and seasons that we’re living in.  And we are living in the last of the last days and my friend Rabbi Jonathan Cahn received a revelation.  He is a prophetic teacher; I mean this is what he’s known for; in fact within the movement of Messianic Judaism he’s known as the top prophetic teacher that we have in the movement.  But I believe that he; it wasn’t an accident, he was a few miles down the road where 9/11 happened.   It wasn’t an accident the events that happened in his life to unravel a pattern for ancient Israel that if you were not a Jewish believer it would be very difficult for you to grasp the magnitude of this and we’re just touching the surface of it because we have a seven and by the way Jonathan, isn’t that that interesting, it’s seven CDs; there’s something about the number seven that we’re going to talk about later on either this week or next week.  But we have these seven CDs called “Harbinger, the Warning,” it’s a two part prophetic series the second part is called “Harbinger, the Shaking.”  And I tell you it is going to shake your whole paradyne for end times and how you’re supposed to live your life because this is the worse time for planet earth and the best time for believers.  Now Jonathan we were talking about, you uncovered from Isaiah 9:10 this pattern that was going on in ancient Israel because God’s heart was saying I don’t to judge you, I want you to prosper!  I want you to be blessed, that was God’s heart, but he did warning, I don’t think that I’d give as many warnings as God’s given, but there was seven harbingers or warnings.  And we talked about on yesterday’s broadcast and previous days that are leading to where we are going and we can only touch a little bit of only a few of these harbingers, but let’s start today with the warning of the vow.

Jonathan:  Yes, yeah, the stage again is that that America is following a pattern of ancient Israel in its last days when God sent warning and the ultament the first thing was the breaking of the hedge of protection.  That matches with 9/11; then comes nine harbingers linked to that and to the nations not repenting, but turning away from God.  God sends warning.  So here we go, we’re going to go the eighth harbingers today and this one blew me away because the, it involves the American leader who without realizing it is actually taking part in a prophetic reenactment of the ancient drama; and he becomes part of the sign.  Now, now to put it together, Isaiah 9:10 has been our key to unlocking this; it’s the vow of defiance and we went to several things within it that actually came true; the sycamore tree, the aorist tree, the stone of judgment, all of that.  But now, put it all together you have a vow; you have this vow of defiance ; you have the nation of Israel makes; “We are not going to be humbled and all of that and we are going to come back stronger than ever; and that’s what Isaiah records.  So the eighth harbinger is going to be the vow itself of the words; it’s the utterance; it’s the speaking, the proclaiming of it.  Now, which becomes a sign itself that it was a sign of Israel’s destruction actually leads to the destruction.  Now how do we find this harbinger?  How do we find – locate that if this could appear in America?  Well, the first thing is who spoke those words which Isaiah said, “The brick’s have fallen, we will rebuild the hewn stone, the sycamore has been cut down, we will plant cedars or aorist trees in they’re place.”  Who spoke it?  Certainly the people could have done that, but it only means something if spoken by the leaders of ancient Israel; only then does it represent the will of a nation.  So where would they have spoken it?  Leaders would have spoken a proclamation in a capital city.  So the eighth harbinger is this:  A national leaders has to speak in the capitol city in a public setting to proclaim the ancient vow of defiance specifically joining it to the calamity.  In the case of America it would have been 9/11; so the eighth harbinger appeared, that’s what has to happen; it has to be proclaimed publically.

Sid:  And again, what Jonathan is saying is this is actually what happened in ancient Israel and and it’s playing out.  It was almost as if Jonathan, that it was a dress rehearsal of what is happening in America today.

Jonathan:  Yeah, its mystery it’s a prophetic replaying exactly of what happened there and it’s all comes together there and nobody could have orchestrated this.  And so here; could this have actually happen?  Why would American leader proclaim words, ancient words of Israel, the leaders of Israel and words of judgment?

• Well, it happened three years after 9/11; in fact it happened on the anniversary of 9/11; the third anniversary of 9/11.  September 11, 2004;
• Where? In the capital city, Washington, DC;
• By whom?  By an American national leader, the man who was the Vice President candidate on the democratic ticket that year, John Edwards.

He gets up to speak at a gathering in Washington on 9/11 three years after the calamity.    He gets up to deliver a speech which I mean he has no idea what he’s about to do; he’s about to manifest the eighth harbinger.  He thinks he’s giving a speech to of inspiring people; but according to the harbinger, a national leader has to proclaim the ancient words.  So this is these; listen now, these are the actual words and this is how he begins:  He says, “Good morning, today on this day of remembrance and mourning; we have the Lord’s word to get us through and here’s the word of encouragement.  He says,

• The bricks have fallen, but we will build with dressed stones.
• The sycamores have been cut down, but we will put cedars in their place.

Sid:  He is quoting exactly Isaiah 9:10!

Jonathan:  Exactly!  About out of about thirty…

Sid:  Of all the scriptures in all of the Bible, he picks the one that is one of the warnings to Israel that progressively judgment is coming and he mouths it as a national leader.

Jonathan:  Exactly, and on 9/11 and linking it to 9/11 not realizing what he’s doing, he’s linking 9/11 to the breech of Israel’s last days of judgment.  He’s linking America to Israel under judgment.  He’s linking America as a nation in defiance of God without realizing it.  He had no idea whatsoever as if.  But he’s doing exactly; he’s reenacting what the leaders of ancient Israel did.  And not only that; he not only does that, but he builds the entire speech around Isaiah 9:10 about the vow of defiance without realizing it, he doesn’t know what it means.  He says this, “Let me show you how we are building, “We are putting cedars in those places; hollow places.”  In other words he’s identifying a thing, he said, “We are the footsteps of ancient Israel.”  He goes on; “In a place where smoke once rose, you and I will see that cedar rising.  He doesn’t realize the cedar is a harbinger of judgment.  He’s says, “You will see that while those bricks fell and the sycamores were cut down, our people are making those cedars rise.”  He’s talking about the harbingers there, and actually he doesn’t even realize that they actually existed, that there was a sycamore that got cut down, there was a stone placed on the place he doesn’t even realize that but it’s prophetic and it’s a prophetic statement; it’s supernatural.

Sid:  Is it prophetic, Jonathan Cahn that shortly thereafter he collapsed.

Jonathan:  Yeah.

Sid:    He fell?

Jonathan:  Yeah.

Sid:  I see that as all part of it.

Jonathan:   Yeah, yeah; in fact Sid, I think you’re right; that you’re on, were going to see tomorrow with another national leader who does a traumatic thing with this and he also falls from power too; that is, I believe that is so.  And so just like probably the leaders of ancient Israel, we don’t know what happened to them, but they were in judgment.  The vow, I’m not speaking about him personally but, the vow is a sign, the vow is a manifestation he’s representing the nations defiance of God.  And when it was uttered in ancient Israel that vow actually lead to ultimately the destruction because the people didn’t turn back its ammonias.

Sid:  And I happen to know some of the things he’s going to be teaching; and it’s only you know tiny bit of what; this is such rich and depth.  Jonathan, I have to believe that you’re amazed that so much occurred having to do with the patterns of ancient Israel.

Jonathan:  Yeah, and it doesn’t stop, I mean we’re gonna, I mean we’re going to go, we are going to see, you know it’s going to actually lead, it’s going to lead into every, it’s going to lead into the collapse of the economy.

Sid:  Is it going to lead into perhaps the future of President Obama?

Jonathan:  Well, it’s going to lead into the future, what that is you know that’s, that’s, that’s an issue, but it’s going to lead.  Everything, we are going to get in, it’s has not stopped the progressive.  There is a progression of judgment…

Sid:  We’ve got to get this on the air because it’s still unfolding, but you can see the progressive pattern and you see what you have to do.  I mean this message should be, as Pat Robertson would say, “Shouted from the housetop!”  Ha-ha.

Jonathan:  Hmmm.  Yeah, yeah and it’s yeah, I keep getting the scripture of you know, “Sound the alarm, you know, sound the alarm!  That’s what we have to do.

Sid:  Well, you know David Wilkerson was promoted home, I’m wondering if that mantle isn’t falling on a Messianic Jewish Rabbi right now?

Jonathan:  Well, Sid…

Sid:  I’ll let you not answer that one right now.  But I want to read to you from the front page of our next newsletter; in which we’re featuring this two part prophetic series. Is it possible, there existed an ancient mystery in which is hidden the secret of America’s future?  Is it possible that this mystery lies behind everything from 9/11; to the war in Iraq; to the American housing bubble and it’s bursting to the crash of Wall Street; and the global economy to the great recession and so much more?  Even the President of the United States?

Sid:  My guest, Joan Hunter comes from such a tough poverty background and God has taught her what he calls the patterns to follow.  And if you follow the pattern that God has outlined in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant you will be blessed so that you can be a blessing in these last days God is going to turn everything around in your life.  And the scripture we ended with yesterday when I was interviewing Joan Hunter is Deuteronomy 8:18; and it says “And you shall remember the Lord Your God for it is He who gives you power to get wealth that He may establish His Covenant which He swore to your Fathers as it is this day.”  Joan Hunter, what is God saying to us in this scripture?

Joan:  So often people read that scripture, God has given me wealth, and it says, “God has given me the power to get wealth.”  He has given you the power, the wisdom, the knowledge, to get wealth, not just in the natural knowledge, but He will give you it in the Spirit knowledge.  Ephesians 1:17-19, that He is going to give you a greater Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the knowledge of Him, that pertains to finances; He is going to give you witty inventions…

Sid:  By the way, speaking of inventions, you were talking about Texas that only went to the ninth grade and he had a dream about some new equipment to invent, tell me about him.

Joan:  He’s an awesome guy, his name is name is Keith Miller, he’s an evangelist here and he’s such a neat guy.  And he was talking about how God had given him a dream, which is “drem” in Texan, and he said, “He sat down and he drew the dream out and it was a piece of machinery.”  So he found some engineers and they said, “This is absolutely the most incredible piece of machinery I have ever seen in my entire life, where did you get your Engineering Degree?”  And he said, “I got it in a drem, a drem.” like I have not heard of that school.  What school?  He goes, drem drem, you know and they finally understood that he got it in a dream.  And he says, I don’t know if he finish ninth grade of education, but he is a very knowledgeable man and he’s an author and everything now.  But God gave him this dream which helped bring millions of dollars into him and his ministry.  And don’t depend on your education; I have another lady friend who after listening to my seminar on finances and the CD on End Time Economics, she got a hold of this revelation.  She said, “God is going to give me, this is so exciting, God is going to give me a witty invention, I’m a hairdresser, I’m going to design a whole new line of hair color,” that’s the natural man.  A couple of days later she is so excited about the dream and the vision and the chemicals and the bio and the chemistry that is going to be involved in the new hair color and dadada.  And all of a sudden God gives her a dream about a machine for an ophthmalogist; I’m like I don’t even know how to spell opthmalogist you know.   She has this piece of machinery; she takes it to a group of opthalmologists and they say, “This is incredible; we need to market it to every single ophthmalogist in the world.”  And “Where did you get it?”  And once again, “I got it in a dream.”  “Well we want to offer you, I know that this is really really low, but we want to offer you, you know it’s really low to begin with, but this is just a beginning we want to offer you $20,000,000 for your idea!”

Sid:  You know I understand why you don’t like to look at the news on television and hear the gloom and doom which is that anyone watching the news is going to come up with gloom and doom; you got to many good things to look at.

Joan:  I agree, we need, you see so many people are lining up with the world instead of the word.  And you listen to the new, “Oh this is so horrible what’s happening.”  You know I sit at the airport for my multiple plane trips, that’s when I listen to the news.  Now I’m aware pretty much what’s going on, but for me to sit there and listen to the news, I get on a plane and I start hitting the side of my head trying to get the junk out number one.  Number two, I put my hand and raise it over my head like a razor and go “In the Name of Jesus I cut those words off that is not affecting my health, that it is not affecting my ministry, that it is not affecting my life, it is not affecting my childrens life and I cut those words off in Jesus Name, they have no power over me or my family or any of these ministries in Jesus Name.”  So many ministries are cutting back and saying, “How are you handling all these people that you are having to let go because of finances?”  I’m like I’m not letting them go because of finances, you know and we’re expanding, we’re building you know.

Sid:  You know the same thing is going on in our ministry too.  I believe this is what I believe with all of my heart Joan; there is a shift going on in ministry now.  And God and those that are not walking holy are going to be demoted if you will and suffer the way the world is.  And those that are walking in holiness God’s going to elevate right now.

Joan:  I totally agree with you and God is watching over His children and it is so incredible, there is a scripture that I absolutely love and it’s in the New Living Translation.  And it is Ephesians 2:7 “So God can always point to us as an example of His incredible wealth, favor and kindness in all He has done for us through Christ Jesus.”  Hallelujah, I want to be an example of His incredible wealth, of His favor and kindness in all He has done for me through Christ Jesus.

Sid:  Well Joan, this is a question that many people ponder.  Here in America the land of opportunity, we see a lot of people that prosper, but what about a third world country; someone that can’t put two dimes together, how does studying the pattern and the principals in the Bible finance affect them?  Do you have any firsthand experience?

Joan:  I have an incredible firsthand experience.  Actually I have one and Moms got one, but last, like a year and half ago two years ago sometime in the past I went to Haiti right after the earthquake.  And we went down there; curse the spirit of trauma and command it to go and millions of sicknesses had been prevented because of the trauma going.  Millions of people got saved and so I preached, I was teaching to pastors, about a thousand pastors down there.  And I said, “The word of God works in Haiti like it does in America, its Ephesians 2:7, Deuteronomy 8:18 those are some scriptures; Philippians 4:19, My God does supply all of my needs according to His riches in Glory by Christ Jesus.”  “Those apply here in Haiti just like they do in America, don’t be looking at rich American Christians, look at rich Haiti Christians that God wants to raise up.”  And I did my teaching and you know we weren’t going to receive any offerings and all those kind of stuff and you know all of a sudden we were singing praise and worship getting ready to go have lunch and the people started; God moved on them, they started bringing money up to the platform.  They would empty their pockets out, everything they had left.

Sid:  You mean they caught the scripture; you didn’t even have to say anything?

Joan:  They would empty their pockets of everything, and it would be an equivalent of two cents for us, and they emptied it and we had hats for shade on and we just used hats for offering buckets.  And seven hundred eight hundred people were flooding to the front, it was I mean I was up there weeping and weeping because it was like, God they got it, they got it.  And the prayer is that you who are listening will get that God wants to take care of you, He cares about your every need.  And as they are walking back to their seat their cell phones were going off with jobs and money is pouring in.  The church that we go under the Pastor when we go to Haiti, his church just raised in three months a extra 25,000 US dollars over and above tithes and offerings for their new expanded building, in Haiti the church of a thousand people.

Sid:  Tell me briefly a story of a third world country that your parents were involved with.

Joan:  That is Ukraine.  They went over to Ukraine years and years and years ago, probably about twenty-five, thirty years ago and it was so improvised at the time.  They said “Everybody could take two suitcases, one personal and one of clothes to take over there and to leave.”  And so everybody got over there and Mom preached prosperity God’s way and not the spirit of greed but the Spirit of giving.  And so they were talking about that and people were getting it and they had given in the offering you know and that type of thing.  And they came home and then they went back a year later, told everybody to take a second suitcase of clothes that you could leave over there.  And they get over there and people are driving up in Mercedes, Cadillac’s; they were like “Are we at the right place?”

Sid:  This is Ukraine where you had to stand in lines to five ten blocks long to get one can of beans, that’s how poverty stricken they were.

Joan:  Right, and it was unbelievable and then we get in and the people there they’ve got, you know they got woman sometimes they’ll have a suit and they’ll have a matching purse and then they’re going to have matching shoes and they are going to have a matching hat, not to mention the gloves.  They were looking really really fine and Mom was like going, “What happened?”  They go, “We got the message, we caught the vision you were talking about last year.”  And those people and the people that brought all the extra clothes took them home, gave them to goodwill or another organization.

Sid:  If these principals can operate in third world country, they can operate no matter what happens to the economy in the United States… just average people can move into this realm, you have the faith, you have actually tested God’s word, you have seen that it works and your faith is contagious.  And there are a lot of people listening to us right now that need a contagious faith that God wants you to prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers.

Sid:  I am so excited because we are at the fullness of the Gentile Age, that means according to the words of Jesus, “That the spiritual scales are coming off the eyes of Jewish people.”  And I was instructed many years ago by God to find ten people that are Jewish that believe Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and write a book.  And their stories will be so fascinating that unsaved Jewish people would read their stories, but work into the storyline is scripture. Unsaved people won’t read scripture, but they’ll read a book that has fascinating stories and so I was obedient to the heavenly vision and the book “They Though for Themselves” came out.  We have over 850,000 of these books in print, most in Russian and being distributed systematically throughout the former Soviet Union.  And one of my favorite testimonies in the book is Sharon Allen, because she had such a unique background.  Sharon was very active in the Chabad House in Hassidic Judaism; her daughter was enrolled in the academy.  Her husband was not Jewish, he was planning on converting to Judaism and just before he was ready to convert there was one requirement he could not say yes to he had to renounce Jesus as the Messiah, and Sharon was shocked because he loved Judaism so much, he just didn’t even know that he still believed in Jesus.  He never went to the church or anything, and so she decides this is mischugah, this is crazy; I’m going to read through the Bible and prove to my husband that Yeshua is not the Messiah.  Sharon what happened?

Sharon:  Well, what I did is I started doing my research into the Hebrew Bible and then I went to the Jewish bookstores and I kept getting more and more books on Jewish history, Jewish tradition and of course I read the Talmud, the Midrash.  I read the Shulchan Aruch, with all of the ancient Jewish writings because when I read the Hebrew Bible many of the scriptures in there resembled what people were saying about Jesus and I knew that everything that God wanted us to know about His Jewish Messiah would be in the Hebrew Bible so that we Jews would be able to recognize Him when He would come.  And so when I finished reading the Hebrew Bible there was so many things in there sounded like what Gentiles were saying about their Jesus.

Sid:  You know the one thing that really stuck with me so strongly was when you were wrestling with this, when you had no one to help you but God himself and His holy scriptures; you came across a very interesting character in scripture called the Angel of the Lord.  And then you were shocked that He was actually worshipped.  You’re not supposed to worship an angel; what effect did this have on you?

Sharon:  Well, in Hebrew we say, He’s a Malach HaShem, Malach is Aramaic for messenger and so in the English Bible it says the Angel of the Lord, but in the Hebrew it actually means a messenger of the Tetragrammaton the holiest Name for God.  And every time He appeared to the patriarchs, to the people in the Bible they would see Him, they would fear for their lives, they would fall on the ground and they would say that, they would die because they’ve seen God face to face.  And instead of this Malach HaShem, this messenger of God that carries the holiest name of God within His name; and instead of him saying, “Oh no, I’m just a mere angel, I’m just a mere created being, an angel, don’t fear for your life, you are not going to die.” He never corrected them, but he said to them, “Peace, Shalom.”  He comforted them and then He gave them the information that He wanted them to convey to others.  In other words it is astounding that an angel wouldn’t have corrected them and said, “No, no, no I’m just an angel,” but no He allowed them to believe that they were seeing God faced to face.  The only way He corrected them was to say “You’re not going to die and I give you peace; I give you God’s Shalom.”  And this happened so many times throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.  And for example, in the book of Judges He comes before Manoah so astounded by what he’s seeing that he wants to offer sacrifice and of course and an angel would never have been able to accept a sacrifice.  But this Malach HaShem was very very unique messenger of God accepts the sacrifice and actually goes into the flames and as this Malach HaShem lifted up to the heavens Manoah uses the term pelly, this is pelly which means wonderful, but actually it’s a Hebrew word that can only be attributed to God.  And so we see that in the Hebrew Scriptures there is someone who appears in the shape of a man who actually is not just representing God but seems to be God and to accept sacrifice and everything that goes along with being the Holy One, God.  And this I found astounding and so actually later on when I actually read the New Testament finally I read the New Testament after I became a believer because I became a believer just by reading the Hebrew Scriptures and all of the ancient Jewish documents.  Because even ancient Jewish documents talk about the two pictures of the Messiah that’s in the Hebrew Bible.

Sid:  But Sharon Judaism was so and even today is so important to you, the Rabbis as a class say that Jesus isn’t the Messiah, you’re convinced that Jesus is the Messiah, didn’t you figure that maybe you missed something and He really wasn’t?

Sharon:  Yes, you know it was through my research over and over and over again pouring over all the ancient documents I kept going back to the Jewish book stores, I even bought anti-Missionary books with names such as “You take Jesus, I’ll take God.”  And another book called, “I was a Jewish Cult Buster” all of these books and of course Gerald Sigal’s book called “The Jewish Response to the Christian Missionary.”  And what I kept seeing over and over and over again is that the modern day approach to the Messiah has changed completely changed to what the ancient Jewish writings told about who the Messiah would be; how He would come and where He would born and what He would accomplish and how He would die; and it is all there.  Not just in Hebrew Scriptures but in ancient Jewish documents where the Rabbis spoke of how the Messiah would be and what he would accomplish.  There is a wonderful book by Raphael Patai called “The Messiah Text” which speaks about these ancient documents and how the ancient rabbi’s recognized that there were two pictures of the Messiah in the Hebrew Bible.  They even had names for them, Mashiach ben Yoseph, Messiah son of Joseph, who would come as the suffering servant and Mashiach ben Daveed Messiah son of David, who would come as the Concurring Hero King.  And so time and time again as I researched…

Sid:  But isn’t it fascinating that before the Messiah came they had this revelation knowledge that the Messiah would suffer on behalf of the sins of Jewish people.  The Messiah would be King and rule over Israel and there would be peace on earth.  So the only way they could figure it out before the Messiah came was two Messiah’s but what about one Messiah, two appearances?

Sharon:  Well, it’s kind of interesting because they saw a picture emerging even when they studied the Hebrew language within the Hebrew. Hebrew is the language made up of root letters and when you go and you analyze the root letters it speaks mountains of what the Hebrew writers were trying to convey.  You know that every Hebrew name has a message within every name, every Jewish child that’s born is given a Hebrew name, not just an English name but a Hebrew name and within that name it says that it speaks of the nature and the character of what that name means.  And I found in Genesis Chapter Five there is a genealogy and I thought well, I’m wondering if this is something that is unique to only the Bible and it is there’s a list of names.  We know that there are Adam, Seth, Enoch, Cain and all; the first ten genealogies and when we study that a picture emerges.

Sid:  So let me repeat with you just said, the first ten names mentioned in the Bible starting with Adam going to Noah, each Hebrew name has an English meaning.  And you looked up the English meaning and it almost made a sentence, not almost it made a sentence when you strung the means of each of the first ten names found in Genesis Chapter five. What message did you get from just stringing the definitions of these names together to form a sentence?

Sharon:  Well, I broke down every single name and I do need to say that I did use Hebrew lexicons and I used the Hebrew English…

Sid:  Well, we are running out of time, what was the sentence?

Sharon:  The sentence is Mankind turns their faces towards and are appointed mortal grievance sorrow to lament and to mourn.  And then it goes on to say God who is praised comes down to instruct and to consecrate; He is sent forth as a Prophet Priest to be smitten and scourged to die, to give rest and security and then to give a quiet attitude of peace, Shalom.

Sid:  You know when you mediate on this you have got the best description of the Messiah, Yeshua Jesus.

Bill:  If your eye is evil it means you’re stingy, if your eye is good it means that you’re generous; so what He’s saying is that if you’re stingy get rid of your stinginess, get a generous spirit.

Sid:  And what about when He says cut off your right hand, what does that mean?

Bill:  The same thing that if your hand offends you, which could indicate any number of improper actions; cut it off means stop doing it, it doesn’t mean cut off your hand, it means stop doing that; your right hand is a statement of power.

Sid:  Now Bill you went back to the Hebrew names not in a lot of areas, but like for Jesus you said Yeshua, for Mary you used her Hebrew name Miriam, for law you said Torah, for James you went to his Hebrew name Jacob, for trumpet you say shofar.  Only a few of these adjustments, but what difference does it make whether the Bible says Jesus or Yeshua?

Bill:  Well Yeshua is very significant because that’s the name that was given to Miriam by the angel Gabriel. And Yeshua is a Hebrew word that means to deliver, it’s a verb it means to deliver or to save, but deliverance is the first.  And He came to set us free to deliver us from religious spirits as well as any demonic oppression.

Sid:  Where did we get Jesus from?

Bill:  Because when you write it in Greek, Greek has no “sh” sound. So it couldn’t be Yeshu, it comes out Yaysu, and when that was translated into Latin, the same letters the Latin equivalent of the Greek, are used for His name.  And when that was translated into English, in the Middle Ages, what they did was they used the German “j” for “i” because in German the “j” is equivalent of the Hebrew yod. And the Saxon’s had come in and taken over England and brought a German influence into the English language.  So it was actually pronounced Yaysu in English originally, but in a few hundred years that had changed dramatically and it had our modern J sound.  So that’s how the “j” came in.

Sid:  How did we get James from Jacob?  They are not the same they are two different people?  And we have Jacob in the Jewish Scriptures and the Hebrew Scriptures so why should we have Jacob in the New Testament?

Bill:  That’s because the group that was hired to translate the King James Version wanted to bless their benefactor and it’s named after King James.

Sid:  And so they changed his name to James.  I wonder how many Christians know that.

Bill:  Yeah, not very many.

Sid:  Okay, but I don’t get those two so maybe I’ll try for a third. What about how did we get Mary instead of Miriam?  I mean why don’t we change Miriam to the sister of Moses in the Hebrew Scriptures?

Bill:  Maria is the Latin instead of Mary.

Sid:   Why do we want a Latin name, why should we have her name?

Bill:  Because the first English translations were made from the Latin Vulgate text and there are a number of Latin words that didn’t get translated. That’s the “mansion” in John 15, it’s the tabernacle, it’s the tabernacle of David, the Word in the Hebrew is not tabernacle it’s Sukkoth and that’s from Amos, Amos nine where the Booth of David is resurrected and restored and it’s speaking of the Kingly line.

Sid:  And we always thought it was the place where David worshipped. So what you’re saying about all this teaching about David’s Tabernacle, where did it come from, why did they mistranslate the Latin?

Bill:  Because they didn’t.  They didn’t translate the Latin word tabernaculum. Latin did not have a word for booth and it’s word for tent was tabernaculum. So that was used for the tabernacle in the wilderness, which is the Hebrew word “mishcahn” and we don’t have an English word for “mishcahn” so tabernacle is entirely appropriate to use there, but a tent, we haven’t a word for, we should use tent.  Booth we have a word for it is Sukkoth we need to have booth of David to put that in perspective, so we know that we are talking about the Messianic Reign.  And in Acts 15 it says to go on talking about world evangelism.  And that’s what it’s for the Messianic Reign is going to take the word of God throughout the earth absolutely.

Sid:  Okay, I’m having difficulty understanding what you’ve said already as to why they did that so let’s try another one.  How did they get a trumpet? I know what a trumpet is, you know, but it’s not a shofar, why did they switch shofar to trumpet. It definitely wasn’t a trumpet with the three keys, you know.

Bill:  You’re right.  Well the Latin used the word for trumpet instead of the word for shofar, it doesn’t have shofar in either Greek or Latin. So when the first English translations were made the people were the people were ignorant of the shofar and they just translated it trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets there is no trumpet blown, of course you know that.

Sid:  I’ve never seen a trumpet in the synagogue. I mean these may sound like little things to people, but I’m interested in truth. In fact I have to ask you this question, you took twenty years on this project, the One New Man Bible, and were you after trying to reinforce your beliefs when you did these translations?

Bill:  No I didn’t. I just wanted to find truth, that’s all I was looking for. I was, of course wanted to grow in the Lord, I did not try to impose my ideas, in fact as I dug in it changed my theology not that I changed the theology in the Bible.

Sid:  Now the books in the Hebrew Scriptures are not in the same order as say the Bibles used in Christianity. Who’s right, who’s wrong?

Bill: Well I really love the Jewish book order. It is so much easier to follow, to understand.

Sid:  Now, wait a second, the last book in the Jewish Scriptures is Chronicles. How does that fit with the first book of the New Testament?

Bill:  Oh, it’s beautiful.  See Chronicles was the last book written in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Sid:  You know I think that it’s important to know what was the last book in the Hebrew Scriptures; opposed to Malachi it was Chronicles.

Bill:  Right.

Sid:  I think that’s a very important thing, but if you go from Chronicles to Matthew how does that work out?  Does it work out better than Malachi to Matthew?

Bill:  It is, it’s a beautiful flow, in fact that book order flows beautifully from Genesis all the way through, not just Chronicles but on through Revelation.  It really is an easy book to read cover to cover.  And do it time after time after time, every time you do it, every time you read it you gain new things.  You see things you’ve never seen before, and it’s awesome in the way you can just feel the flow going from Chronicles into Matthew.

Sid:  And speaking about the flow another thing I found interesting, you’ve made note of what are the Torah readings and the readings from the prophets that are read in every synagogue from the time of Jesus. They were read when Jesus would go into the synagogue that’s what He would read for that particular day it was His readings and that’s still being read today in synagogues throughout the world.  Do you find this fascinating to know what Jesus read on the particular day from the Torah, and it’s being read today in synagogues all over the world?

Bill:  That’s it and it’s really wonderful, my wife and I read that at home.

Sid:  Whoops were out of time.

Craig:  That is absolutely true Sid because things, whether we like it or not they absolutely do flow generationally from one generation to the next.

Sid:   Now you have a story in your book that is so appropriate, it has to do with the revolutionary war; tell me about that.

Craig:  Yes, that was one of the first revelations that I got when Jan and I were struggling in our own marriage and we had so much difficulty in communication.  We were wounding each other and the thing that I couldn’t understand Sid, is that I am trying as a husband so hard to bless her, to love her and to make her feel loved and yet I’m hurting her and wounding her; why is that happening all the time?  And right about that time I saw a movie on television that was about the revolutionary war and suddenly the Holy Spirit just quickened something supernaturally to me that I had never understood before.  And the story was this, it was just about the beginning of the American Revolution and here were the British Red Coats marching up the road toward Concord and Lexington and the American Militia had come out to meet them and the two troops were standing face to face facing each other and the two generals were getting in between talking with each other.  Unbeknownst to anybody was an arms dealer who was in the bushes behind a wall over to the side.  Now this arms dealer didn’t care about the British, he didn’t care about the Americans he didn’t care about politics at all; he just wanted to start a war because his purpose was to see arms to both sides.  So while no one was looking behind this wall the arms dealer took a shot, shot and killed the Second Command British Officer who fell over dead.  Well you can imagine what the British Commander immediately did, he assumed that his officer had been shot by one of the American Militia so he immediately terminated his negotiation and gave an order to his men, “Fire!”  And so the British soldiers fired upon the American Colonist, the American General of course then issued an order to his men, “Fire,” and they both did and the war was on.  Now that very first shot that was fired was called the shot that was heard around the world because it was the shot that started the war, or started the American Revolution; but the amazing thing was and I don’t know if this is historically accurate or not, but the amazing thing was that that shot was not fired by either side, it was fired by a disinterested arms dealer hiding behind a wall, that really didn’t care about either side just wanted a war.

Sid:    He just wanted to make money from the war.

Craig:  Absolutely and the amazing thing is, if you ask either commander, if you ask the British Commander did you start this?  He would say, absolutely not!  Unprovoked for no reason they shot my Second in Command and we responded in self dense.  If you were to ask the American General did you start this?  He would say absolutely not, for absolutely no known reason totally unprovoked the British General gave an order to his men to fire upon us and we returned fire in self defense so both parties were totally convinced that they were firing in self-defense, not realizing what had happened.  And the revelation I got Sid, is that this is exactly what the Apostle Paul is talking about in Ephesians Chapter 6 verses 10-12 when he says that “Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but we wrestle against spiritual rulers of the darkness of this age; against powers and against spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places and that we are to take up the whole armor of God.”  And what suddenly dawned on me was what was going on in my marriage was that there were unseen spiritual forces in the kingdom of darkness that were using my mouth and using my actions to send a message to my wife; you have no value, you’re worthless, I don’t love you, I don’t care about you.  And the clincher was I didn’t know that it was happening when it was happening.  And of course the problem for every husband is, “How on earth are you going to repent of something that you don’t even know happened?”  When my wife would say, “You hurt me, you don’t love me, you don’t care about me.”  What that felt like to me as a husband was a false accusation.  And I would say, “Why would you say that, I’m doing everything I know to try to love you, to try to care about you.”

Sid:  You must have been so frustrated.

Craig:  I was completely frustrated because everything I was doing I was doing was to try to convince her that I love her and yet what she continually was tell me is, “You don’t love me, you don’t care about me.”  And what it felt like to me was that there was absolutely nothing I could do that would ever please my wife.  You know Sid, the Holy Spirit is speaking to me right now; there is a man listening to this broadcast whose in exactly that situation, you have done everything you know to do to try to convince your wife that you love her and all you hear from her is, “You did this wrong, you did that wrong, your displeasing to me and the Holy Spirit says that if you will grab hold of these principals and you will begin to walk in them supernaturally that God will heal and change that marriage.”  Is it okay Sid, if I just pray for that man right now?

Sid:  Please, it’s the Holy Spirit’s platform, not mine.

Craig:  Father, I pray for that man listening to the broadcast right now, and you know that it’s you because your heart if pounding on the inside, and you’ve done everything that you know to please you wife.  Father, I pray that you would supernaturally begin to heal that marriage.  That you would give this man Your supernatural insight and wisdom to know exactly know what to say to his wife, how to penetrate the shell that she’s put around her heart.  And all the accusation that’s coming from her toward him, I pray that You would break through that and that today would start something supernaturally new in that relationship in the Name of Yeshua.

Sid:  You know, these principals are so wonderful that are outlined in his book, “Two Fleas No Dog” let’s give some people extraordinary hope that are hopeless right now Craig.  Tell us about the couple that was divorced for six years from Wisconsin that came to a teaching where you taught the principals of the book, “Two Fleas No Dog.”

Craig:  Yes, this couple came to one of the retreats, marriage retreats that we did where we were teaching these principals and it was funny Sid, because they actually came, they were living in two different towns nearby.  They sat on different sides to the room and it was obvious that somebody else had compelled them to come; neither of them want to be there; but somehow or another they actually did come.  And we watched their faces as these principals were shared we could see it wasn’t just the principals but the Holy Spirit was doing something supernatural in the hearts of this man and this woman.  And by the end of this weekend they were sitting next to each other; they were looking each other in the eyes; they were repenting and asking forgiveness for the ways that they had hurt each other.  And you know one of the first things that they both came to realize was that neither of them wanted this divorce; neither of them wanted the pain that they had caused each other in their marriage and actually what was taking place was that the arms dealer was the only one that wanted it and had set them both up without them realizing it or knowing it.  They had been used by the enemy to wound and deeply hurt each other.  And for the first time they began to realize and understand, the woman began to realize that my husband didn’t want to hurt me; and the husband began to realize my wife’s intent was not to criticize and judge and push me away and hurt me.  And they both realized that they had been set up and used by the arms dealer.  An incredible thing happened, at the end of the weekend, they came to us and said, “We want to be remarried, could you refer us to a church in this area where we could both go and begin to restore our relationship, get some ongoing counseling and restore our marriage?”  They did do that and about three months later they were married again to each other and that was a couple of years ago and they have been doing very, very well since.

Sid:  You know, I was shocked when I read the statistics that you outline in your book that one in two Christian marriages end in divorce; but one in 1,100 end in divorce if people pray together.

Craig:  That’s exactly right, and I think that people don’t realize how powerful prayer is and it’s not just prayer it’s the intimacy that is created by prayer.

Sid:  And you explain how a husband and wife can have intimacy in prayer way beyond anything they ever thought, some of the principals of how to pray together.

Craig: We give people in the book, Sid a very simple strategy of if they would pray together using three specific topics or ways of praying as we share in the book for six minutes a day, it changes from 1 in 2 to 1 in1,100 that would be divorced.  Now that’s an incredible change, and what it really had to do with is people looking into each other’s eyes; people inviting the Living God to come and be present in their marriage and learning to be thankful for each other.  Learning to bless each other; learning to keep short accounts and when they do wound and hurt each other to understand who it is who set them up and how to deal with that enemy.

Sid:  Now, I read a section in your book that I have never heard taught, as a matter of fact coming from a Jewish background, I think I would understand Passover better than a Gentile Christian, I have been celebrating Passover all my life.  But the whole concept of the blood on the doorpost and it’s taught backwards in Judaism and backwards in Christianity.

Craig:  That’s exactly what I discovered some years ago as I began to study that out Sid, and that really came from an understanding; on of the first understandings that God gave me in my marriage was that our marriage was a blood covenant.  Meaning that it was something that was irrevocably, it was something that I was going to persevere in for life, but when I saw this picture of Passover, I was shocked as you were.

Sid:  Before you even get there, explain the difference between a contract and a blood covenant.

Craig:  Yeah, I think what’s happened in our society is that people had more of a covenant some years ago, but it’s degenerated into the concept of a contract.  And as I began to study those out a covenant is something is unilateral, unconditional and irrevocable.  A contract is something that is very conditional, revocable and certainly not unilateral.

Sid:  Oh evay we’re out of time.

Sid:  My guest is Red Hot for the Messiah, you know it says to him who is forgiven much, they love much.  My guest, Nasir Siddiki comes from an Egyptian background, in fact if you go back enough generations his great ancestors were Mohammed’s best friend.  So he doesn’t know Jesus, he develops a sickness, he’s dying in the hospital and Jesus comes in; and the way he started by having a healing from Jesus.  By the way Nasir do you believe when Jesus came into that hospital room there was transference of healing as well as revelation of who he was?

Nasir:  Absolutely yes, had there not been a transference of healing I would have had an experience to get saved but I would have still been sick.

Sid:  You probably would have died too.

Nasir:  Yes, the next morning the doctor’s said, “That he has gone into remission.”  So definitely the answer is yes.

Sid:  Okay, now the miracle of miracles both Nasir and his wife get physically healed.  His wife had MS and she was in horrible shape.  They both should have died, but she was healed through understanding the word.  Nasir was healed through a sovereign act of God.  In your experience it seems to me also Nasir that most people are healed the way that your wife was healed.

Nasir:  Yes, I did a study in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and of the nineteen healing that are recorded 2/3 Jesus either said or implied by your faith you have been healed.  And so my wife’s healing was by her faith in the word that she had built by hearing the word.  My healing was by the gifts of the Spirit.

Sid:  Now the systems tried to come back on both of you, were you prepared or were you oh no, I’m sick, what did you do when that happened?  What did you do when it – who did it come back on first, you or your wife?

Nasir:  The doctors said to me that shingles is a virus that will never leave your body and that erupt at any time you’re under some severe stress.  So they said, “That it could come back.”  Well, I have experienced a whole lot more stress since that time and it has never come back.  They said to my wife that shingles, for me and multiple sclerosis for her could come back anytime also.  Well the key was this, the anointing will heal you but it is the word that will keep you healed.  When a Christian get’s healed the author of that sickness doesn’t move out of town, he’s still there and he’s going to bring that sickness back and he tried to bring shingles back on me.

Sid:  How did he try to bring it back what made you think that he was trying to?

Nasir:  Well, when you have shingles it’s like the skin is burning and it is a very tingly feeling and you start to feel that on the side of your neck or your shoulder or your ear; that was the beginning of the symptoms to bring the shingles back on.  The same with my wife with multiple sclerosis through seizures he tried to bring multiple sclerosis back on her.  Now we have to know the difference between a symptom and a sickness.  And until we know that difference what will happen is we will allow the sickness to come back on not realizing that the sickness was already dealt with 2000 years ago and these are now symptoms that are trying to come on.

Sid:  Okay, we realize, let me see if I have this straight now, your making a distinction between sickness and symptoms.

Nasir:  Correct.

Sid:  That makes sense to me, now once you realize this, all right in your case you started – in both your cases you started having symptoms.  What did you do about it?

Nasir:  We went back to the word of God because the anointing will heal you but only belief in God’s Word will keep you healed.  The word says, by His stripes we have, past tense, we’ve would not open our mouth; we would not start speaking the sickness is back on me again.

Sid:  But wait a second now, in your case are you telling me you didn’t even tell your wife?

Nasir:  No no, I told her that there was some tingling on the side, I did not acknowledge that the shingle is back on me.

Sid:  So you were being honest but being honest is saying yes, the tingling is there.

Nasir:  Correct.

Sid:  But disease is not, both are honest statements.

Nasir:  Correct, that is exactly right.  I acknowledge the symptom but I did not acknowledge the return of the sickness.  And then I dealt with the symptom.

Sid:  What did you do?

Nasir:  Well, the Bible says “What so every you bind, whatsoever you loose.”  We’ve been waiting for God to do something, but the authority on earth has been transferred to us.  Jesus stripped the devil, made a show of him openly, then He said, “All authority in Heaven and earth has been given to me and He gave that authority to us, the church to enforce.”  And so I use that authority, I use the Name that is above every name.

Sid:  Give me an example of something that you could have been literally saying when those symptoms were coming at you.

Nasir:  I commanded the tingling feeling that was attacking my body to go in Jesus Name.  I command every cell, every bone, every tissue to line up with the word of God.  It’s going to be healed, because it was healed 2,000 years ago and it had to line up with the word of God.  It’s wonderful what Jesus did on the cross, but we have to enforce what He did on the cross by what we believe and what we say.

Sid:  If you had done what 99.9% of the people that are believer, good believers would do and that is acknowledge the disease what do you believe would have happened?

Nasir:  That would have opened the door for the disease to come right back on and probably even in a worse state than it was before.

Sid:  How many people lose their healings?  And you know I’ve heard of so many cases and they don’t know this.  Kathryn Kulman had so many people healed; I think that she had more…  I had the privilege of going to her meetings and she had, I don’t know of anyone today that is moving with the word of knowledge in the miracles that she had.  But many people would lose their healing and she never taught on this area, because she obviously didn’t know.  She operated under the anointing and words of knowledge.

Nasir:  Yes, absolutely.  Today’s God’s people perish for lack of knowledge, not for lack of anointing, not for lack of power, but for lack of knowledge.

Sid:  Now you told me that God has given you insight into what’s coming to America, tell me that.

Nasir:  I believe with everything in me that healing is the dinner bell.  That healing is what we must see manifest not only in the church but as we as believer share this with others and people see that our Jesus is alive.  The tomb is empty and what He did yesterday he’s doing today and that is he is healing today.  And so as we release that anointing and people get healed and stay healed, I believe that will bring the end time revival.  I believe with everything in me that God wants Heaven more full than Hell.  And to do that we are going to have to have something that the world wants and the world needs and I believe that’s healing.

Sid:  I’m just wondering if the amount of sickness that is around today is not about ready to have Christians move into their finest hour and rather than expecting non believers to be in a building called the church, the church is not the building the church goes out to the four corners of this earth and prays for the sick and they say don’t give me any credit I just prayed in the Name of Jesus.

Nasir:  Wouldn’t it be awesome if every believer went around getting their coworkers, their relatives, their neighbors healed and then bringing them to church on Sunday to celebrate?

Sid:  … Nasir I have to believe that because you’re not speaking from theory; you’re speaking from first hand revelation of how the word of God operates.  I have to believe that many people when they hear this teaching are getting healed.  And even better than getting healed they are learning how to keep their healing.  And even better than learning how to keep their healing, they are going to be part of that end time army you talked about of praying for the sick.  Can you tell me one person that comes to mind that sat under this teaching and what happened to them?

Nasir:  We’ve had many, we’ve had testimonies of cancers shrinking, we’ve had testimonies of people getting out of wheelchairs, we’ve had testimonies of legs growing out, we’ve got testimonies of hearing aids being put down cause their ears were totally restored, eyes totally restored.  We have just an incredible number of testimonies that have been coming in, but not only are these people getting healed through that CD series, their learning how to stay healed and minister healing to those around them.

Sid:  Now, I don’t hear any doubt and unbelief on any of these things that we’re talking about, how come?

Nasir:  Well, because I have seen it happen in my life, I’ve seen it happen in my wife, the devil tried to put sickness on all three of sons.  They are all serving the Lord Jesus Christ today, the devil tried to put it on my brother, put it on my sister…

Sid:  Woops were out of time.

LARRY: Gosh, they did a test on me and found out I was allergic to like 120 different things; said that I had a deficiency in my body.

SID: 120? How could you even function?

LARRY: I know. The doctors said the only way you could live normal is if you dig a cave about 200 yards down to the earth and cover yourself up, and then you could live normal. That wouldn’t be normal.

SID: Did you resolve that you just had to live that way?

LARRY: Well yeah, because the church that I was raised in told me healing and miracles had been done away with. Thank God they haven’t been. So I just thought I’d have to put up with it.

SID: So what happened to you?

LARRY: Well I went to a little church that believed in miracles. They prayed for me. I believed that I could be healed and I found out Jesus is a healer today, just like when he was when he walked the earth. And I received him as my healer, and I got healed, and that was many, many years ago.

SID: Out of curiosity, was it a gradual healing? Was it instant?

LARRY: Actually, when I prayed and believed I received him as my healer, I didn’t feel anything. It was about seven days later when all of a sudden, every symptom left my body and I got to throw all the medicine away.

SID: How much medicine were you taking?

LARRY: I was taking three different medicines a day, morning, afternoon and night. Plus, I was having to give myself two injections every week. And then even with all of that, I would have to go to the doctor and get these big booster shots occasionally every other month or so.

SID: But you had to be living such a limited life.

LARRY: Well without the medicine, yes. With the medicine, it was able to let me go play sports and stuff like I did. But even with the medicine, like I said, if I got an attack, I’d have to stay in bed, miss school, miss my ballgames, whatever.

SID: In 1977, he had a visitation that changed his life forever and I believe is going to change your life forever. Tell me about that.

LARRY: Totally; talk about life-changing, Sid, this was just the most awesome things, I think, that ever happened to me. The Lord came in my room and started talking to me and said, “I’m going to show you in my Word…”

SID: Was this the first time He ever came like that or had He previously?

LARRY: You know, I would have to say the first presence that I felt strong and then I heard the voice of the Lord speak to me, I believe it was, yes, sir. But He came in…

SID: Were you doing something spiritual at the time?

LARRY: No, I wasn’t. The funny thing is I wasn’t. I was just about my business, you know, and don’t even remember what I was doing. But no, I wasn’t praying, wasn’t worshiping or anything. All of a sudden, the Lord said, “I’m going to show you in my Word what to do, and if you do what I tell you, you’ll never have another down day the rest of your life.”

SID: Wow. Did you just hear that? You will never have a down day the rest of your life. Well that’s wonderful for Larry. But he teaches what the Lord taught him, and as he teaches, people walk into this realm. Did he say anything else to you?

LARRY: Well He said, “I don’t just mean down, I mean, you know, bad temper, problem with anger, depression, discouragement, worry and stress,” which is huge in our society today. He said, “I’m going to show you how to live free from all of that.” And that’s when He started teaching me about what Jesus did at the cross for us when he bore our sins, that he also bore every negative emotion for us.

SID: Okay. I have to ask you a question, and I’m sure this is a question that you want to know right now. To live in this life, it’s not a perfect life. There are not perfect people and there’s a very imperfect devil roaming around. So Larry had tests. Tell me about one of your first tests.

LARRY: Well you know, the Lord told me that I was going to have tests.

SID: Oh, He warned you ahead of time.

LARRY. Yeah. In fact, the Bible even warns us, too. And He said, “In the world you’re going to face tribulation, but I’ve already overcome the world.” So one of the tests I had to face, I was working for Delta Airlines as a businessman, and all of a sudden, some lies were told about me at work. I had been with Delta quite a few years, and all of a sudden, it looked like I’m going to lose my job. Well you know, when you’re in a job that you absolutely just love doing and you think you’re going to be there the rest of your life and you want to be there because you like it, and all of a sudden you’re going to lose it, you’re going to lose your job, your money, your vocation, everything, I mean. Then stress tried to start coming, and worry and depression, all that stuff that everybody faces started trying to come. And the Lord spoke to me and He said, “Do you remember what I told you in my Word?” And all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit brought to my remembrance, yes, “In the world I’m facing tribulation, but be of good cheer. I’ve overcome the world.” And so He said, “Are you facing tribulation?” I said, “Yes, sir, I am.” He said, “Now this is what I want you to do. I want you to look at the feelings, all the emotion that you’re facing right now, I want you to look at it, group all those feelings, the depression, the fear, the stress, everything. Group it all together and talk to it like you would a person. And this is what I want you to say, ‘Jesus told me you were coming and he’s already defeated you.’” Sid, as soon as He said that to me, I rose up, just like I was talking to you, and I said, “Hey.” I’m talking to those emotions, those feelings. I said, “Hey, Jesus told me you were coming and guess what? You’re already wupped.” I mean, I used one of those back wood terms, and I said, “I’ve already got the peace of God in me. I’m not having you.” And all of a sudden…

SID: Well wait a second. That’s got nothing to do with these people saying these nasty things about you. How could you feel good about that?

LARRY: Because all of a sudden when I acted on what God showed me, His grace enveloped me and I guess I felt like Job in that hedge. I felt like all of a sudden I was in, for lack of a better term, a peace bubble. And for the next few days, it was like I didn’t care what anybody said or what anybody thought. I am going to live in the peace and joy of God, and I did. And you know what happened?

SID: What?

LARRY: The next few days later the whole thing got exposed, turned around and I came out smelling like a rose; better than when the whole thing because I didn’t worry, I didn’t get stressed or depressed, or in fear about it. I let the Lord take care of it.

SID: I wonder if that’s why the Lord tells us to worry for nothing. I mean, He says that, but are you able to? Am I able to? Let’s find out more. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

Sid: What is stopping you in a lot of arena’s of life?  Its fear and if you can learn to conquer fear, and that’s the word; have fear under your foot, if you can learn that you will win every battle.  My guest Michael Galiga has been raised up by God.  He’s involved in mega million dollar real estate deals.  In fact Michael you were hugely successful, but in 2005 you went into a closet and said God if you don’t become as real to me as you were as people I read about in the Bible, like King David I’m just not going to leave, and you finally sold out everything you knew to God.  Success is as good as it was before, how was it after that.  It was much, much better.  I enjoyed, you know I was very successful, but I became even more successful in the eyes of the world as far as making money and things.  But I enjoyed what I had a lot more I was much more clear, there were so many obstacles you know, one of them was the follow that owed me all that money, we can talk about that in a minute, it was much much better.

Sid: Okay, so you come to a point where you’re doing so well in real estate, and you decide to go into business for yourself so things are a little tight because you are in business for your elf, but an individual odd you 500,000 plus dollars and one day you get a phone call from him, what did he say?

Michael: He said, Mike I’m not going to pay you.  Now Sid, one thing that you need to understand about this fellow, that he was bad to the bone.  He was a guy that you don’t want to meet in a dark ally, I mean he was about 6’6” I’m going to say somewhere about 300 plus or minus pounds.  And his face was a red as, as I don’t know, as red as it could be like it was going to explode all the time.  He had a huge temper and would intimidate people very easily so I would call him back and say, usually every day or two and say, hey you know we need to get this taken care of and clearly this is payable and you know that’s what the documents say, is there some misunderstanding?  And he’d say, “No, no misunderstanding.  The documents are very clear, I’m an attorney and I helped draft them so there bullet proof.  But he said, “I know what the documents say, but I’m just not going to pay you Mike.  I’d say “Oh, then you must have a cash flow problem,” and he goes, “No, I have plenty of money, I’m just not going to pay you.”  So if you have been in business very long Sid you run into people like this, there are many of them and they just don’t want to do what they are suppose to do.  So I began to call him more regularly, almost like every day and of course he got madder, madder, madder just one day he went nuclear.  I don’t know any word to describe it; it was like he threw the phone threw the window or something and he yelled at me and he said, “Let me tell you Mike how much I’m not going to pay you, I could see him exploding in his office, probably dead people everywhere from the shrapnel but he said, “I’ll tell you how much I’m not going to pay you, I’m going to come to Oklahoma City, we’ll say it’s from Indiana.

Sid: But wait a second Mike, you’re an attorney, why don’t you just sue the man?

Michael: Yeah, litigation is just about the worst thing you can do in most situations.  Even if you win, you still lose plus this would probably taken five years to go through district court, cost maybe a million dollars and maybe he’s there and maybe he’s not there to pay it at the end.  It just wasn’t an option; it’s not an option.  I only had one place to go and that was to the living God and I laid it out before Him and called him one more time and he went nuclear and said, “This is how much I’m not going to pay you.”  I couldn’t believe he did this, he goes, “This is how much I’m not going to pay you, I’m going to fly to Oklahoma City and I’m going to tell you to your face, I’m not going to pay you and then you are going to leave me alone, I never want to hear from you again.  So I got a little room at the airport and reserved it and flew in and I met him and we walked over towards this room and he looked like he was 7’6” that day and more like 600 pounds.  His face looked like it had already detonated and done it’s damage and as were walking together he’s mumbling to himself and I think cuss words as we’re going down the hallway together and we walk into this little room, it’s a 10 x 12 and it has a little table in it and two chair.  And kind of like a room that you would see the FBI when they are interrogating somebody, and that sort of thing.  And so I open the door, he walks in and as I recall he’s so red it’s like he’s already detonated and he sits down at one side of the table and I shut the door behind me and I go sit on the other side of the table in this chair.  And so it’s been maybe seven eight ten seconds and I sit down in my chair and I look at him and Sid, his face is white as 10,000 sheets of Xerox paper, and he’s looking at the wall above my head and he’s sitting on the other side of the table, he’s looking at that wall, and I have no idea what’s happened and I start to open my mouth and I think my goodness, this guy has either had a stroke, a heart attack, or both and he’s going to…

Sid: And forgetting what he’s had, how could you have put yourself in this situation with such a mad man, why did you did you even get together with him?

Michael: Oh, Sid it was a hard drive to the airport, I’m telling you it was like King David, it little David, you know little sixteen, seventeen year old David when he went up against Goliath; I’m driving to the airport saying God, “You know, I am tiny and he is big and I’m a speck and he’s a giant and but you know what God, You fought battles for me before Sid, I really did this.  And I’m going to the airport and fear’s trying to jump on me like a bird on June bug as we say in Oklahoma and I’m shaking it off pretty well this time, but I’m still, it’s trying to get me.  But I make my way to the airport and I get out of my car and I walk in, I just had to put one foot in front of the other to go in there.  And I really felt like God would save me, but it was very stressful nonetheless that’s what faith is, it’s walking in the unknown.  So back to the room he, looking above my head and he’s looking at something, I don’t know what it is, I don’t know what it is to this day, but whatever it was it was causing the blood to drain from his head and he and then his shoulders drooped down and it was that way for seven or eight minutes.  And I started to speak and God’s hand; a long story short went in front of my mouth and just told me to shut up he was taking care of this; I wasn’t to say anything.  So it seemed like really time stood still, it seemed like an hour but it was only seven or eight minutes, finally he started mumbling and he said something like, “Willlll pay you,” and I thought God did I just hear what I think I heard, and then he said it again, “We will pay you.”  And about seven or eight minutes later the blood came back to his head, the color came back, his shoulder’s came up and he just looks at me and said, “You know Mike, I think that I’m going to go back to Indiana.”  And I said, Okay, Bob.”  Those are the only words I said in the whole meeting, “Okay, Bob.”  And he got up, I walked him out the door and he walked down the hall and I never saw him again.  And a couple of days later, I was checking my checking account and there had been a $515,000 wire transfer.

Sid: Now, short of God, you would have never seen that money!

Michael: Never, notta and there is no chance, no.

Sid: Is there one testimony that comes to mind of someone…and what happened to them?

Michael: Well, yeah there’s a fellow here in Oklahoma City, will call him Jim, and he’s a married probably twenty years and five children and I knew his father before he passed away, but we weren’t super close, but anyway Jim and I started spending time together and I started teaching him these concepts.  And long story short he had been really eaten up my fear and when I walked him through the steps this was before the book was even published and I walked him through these steps that are in the book and he was delivered from fear.  He journals now, which is a super important component and now his kids are delivered from fear, because these things are generational Sid; they come from parents, they go to our children.  And until that chain is snapped they go down generationally.  Now his children are relieved and his wife is delivered the whole family; five kids, the wife and the husband are delivered from fear and they’re living an abundant life; joy is beyond what words can say.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Leif Hetland. And Leif, one thing I love is you even teach children to dream. You, in your own home, how has this teaching impacted your wife and your children?

Leif: Well first of all, I do believe that when I came home after just having this experience, actually it was after the Susan Boyle, I decided that I need to go home and ask my wife, “What is your dreams? What is some of the things that even from when you were a little child that you wanted to do when you’re dreaming with God?” So I decided for my wife and each one of my children, let’s write down 25 things on a list in the next few days your dream with God, something that is coming from Him that you think is. And it can be going on a mission trip. It can be different things. So we started to make that list. And then there’s another list and that is the desire of your heart. What is the desire of your heart? Align yourself with Him and he’s going to give you the desire of your heart. So I released the prayer over my wife and my four children. And my wife, she went and started to draw our next house. And since she was nine years old, she had a picture, but she never financially speaking could dream, so she just tore up the paper. A couple of times she was thinking about it. But it was always the limitation.

Sid: So she had a funeral for her dream.

Leif: She had a funeral for her dream. But after she released, this is the problem, because now the dream house is there, and I’m saying, “Who’s going to pay for this?” Now I’m chickening out. But she started to draw out her dream house. And my daughter Lila, she’s working full time in my office right now. Her dream was when she went to bed at night, I want to be with my daddy. I want to do what my daddy. And that’s what touches my heart. So she, while I’m sitting here now, is in my office. She’s been with me in Africa. She is living her dream by serving her daddy, and that became the dream that God started to realize, to travel with her daddy and do what her daddy is doing.

Sid: You know, when you said that, I could feel something in my heart. I could feel what you feel when your dream becomes a reality. And your dream will become a reality. Tell me about some children when you teach on dreaming, what’s happened to them.

Leif: We were in Eerie, Pennsylvania and doing an event. And I was actually releasing first all of the adults. But the amazing thing that I’ve seen is I go down the line and I ask children, “What would you like to do when you grow up?” All of the children have a dream. But when you go to the grownups, because of disappointments and discouragement, delays, things that happen in life, and they have to think or they’re not sure.

Sid: You know, maybe that’s why Jesus said, “Become like a little child.”

Leif: And that’s why I like to be childlike. I’m just like a little boy that has a big papa.

Sid: I’ve noticed that.

Leif: That’s what happened here. So afterwards, I released over the children. I said, “You’re going to dream with God.” And the amazing thing that happened, all of the children, they rested in the presence of God just when I touched them. And these are some, like one grandma said, “This is a very hyper child.” That’s a miracle in itself. Two hours later, I came back and the children were still down. So I went into a big church and ministered, and we had worship, and then eventually came back again. I wanted to find out what happened to the children. And I got to hear all these stories of children describing in detail. Some had seen Jesus. One of them got to sit on Jesus’ lap. Other ones were drawing what they saw while they were laying on the floor. And the parents were just blown away.

Sid: Those children will never be the same. But I remember a young boy that had a dream to go to the nations and you had your funeral for your dream. But today, you go to nations like Pakistan and you have big billboards, and these billboards, what did they say?

Leif: They’re just saying that Jesus is here. Jesus is here and he’s going to be here in this cricket stadium. If you are lame, if you are blind, if you are deaf, just come, anyone that are sick, and we’re just announcing that Jesus is coming to show up, and that is my dream for people.

Sid: And what is going to happen, what is going to happen if the people are not healed, if miracles don’t happen? This is a stadium filled with non-believers, Muslims.

Leif: Yeah. And when you go into a place where people are from a totally different faith, I know that I would be considered a false prophet if he doesn’t show up. If Jesus doesn’t heal the blind eyes, the deaf ears, tumors falling off people’s body, you announce beforehand this is going to happen, and if they’re coming and they don’t see it, I know what they are going to do, and it’s not going to be very pleasant. So I know that I don’t have a Plan B. It is only Plan A. It is a dream from God.

Sid: But this is your dream and just as he had a funeral for his dream, and God resurrected it. And just as you’re saying, “God, I want to dream with you. I’ve never had a dream,” I want you to pray for people right now to dream with God. Would you do that?

Leif: I would love to. And I just want to focus just on you. Within each one of you, first of all, I want to remind you, you’re very, very valuable and God is very good. And there’s something that He has placed within your life and your heart, and I want to release, some of you that had a funeral, some of you, I’m going to release resurrection of the dream. You’re going to start to sense something that has been the desire of your heart is going to come back. So Father, just release right now, come Holy Spirit. Just come right now and start just to stir up some of those dreams. Awaken some of the dreams. I just ask even that some of the desires of people’s heart is just going to be awakened. Even as they’re going to bed tonight, I ask that you would just download certain things, like we’ve heard stories from the Filipinos. Come Holy Spirit. I just ask that the vision is going to come back. Hope is going to come back. Passion is going to come back. Husband and wives, let them start to dream together. Businesses being resurrected. Songs being written. Wow. Songs being sung. Even the very sound of a Susan Boyle, there is a song in each one of you. I just release. I release that song to come out. Come Holy Spirit. Just feel it right now. You can feel His presence is on you right now.

Sid: I could feel His presence on me right now. I can tell you, Leif. You talk a lot about rest and resting in God. Explain that to me.

Leif: First of all, I want to say the best thing about God is God. When I come to be with Him I do nothing.

Sid: You don’t have an agenda.

Leif: No agenda. I just want to be there with him. And what happens when I go there with no agenda, this time I study and pray. But there’s a time for me just to go and to be with him. And I find me a comfortable place where I rest, because I believe when you are resting you are receiving, and that’s the hard thing. There are so many noises. There are so many things that is competing with us. That for me just to go in a place…

Sid: Don’t you have to do something? Work?

Leif: It’s called nothing. And there’s something in that nothingness. It’s called the hard work of rest because resting is receiving.

Sid: So you’re telling me, if I’m understanding right, what you do is, now what are you doing? Are you concentrating on God? What are you doing when you’re resting in God? Are you focusing on Him or are you just resting?

Leif: Sometimes I’m focusing on certain of His attributes.

Sid: You know, when I just went back like that, God spoke to me. Does He speak to you when you’re resting?

Leif: He speaks to me and that’s when downloads is taking place.

Sid: Well you know what He just told me? That someone’s neck, there’s a pain in your neck. I just heard that. If you’ll move your head until the pain is gone. And you know what happens? It seems like every time, Leif, I get that word, the anointing of God goes down the person’s spine and their back gets healed. Stand up and bend over. Come on. Come on. Sid says do it. Do it. Okay. Because Sid heard from God. What about where it says in the Bible, “I only do what I see my Heavenly Father doing.” How does that work out for you?

Leif: It’s working very well out because I am with Him, He places certain things in me and then the next moment, there’s things that’s being downloading, even financially speaking. Or like I’m just writing a book. But when some of those things is coming down into my spirit, I maybe say, I don’t have this, I don’t have this gift. I can hardly speak English. At least I do with a very strong accent. But He places something in me and in the next moment, now that very dream that I had is a reality. I’m looking at a script. And my English teacher said to me, he said, “You’re never going to learn how to speak English.” And I’m sitting here talking to you in English.

Sid: Now I’m reminded many years ago, someone sang about the love of God to you. What difference did it make at that point in your life?

Leif: It made all the difference because when I came up from that very place I knew that God is in a good mood. And the second thing I knew is I’m His son and I don’t have to live towards inheritance. I can live from inheritance. So all that Papa has is mine, as His son. So he has a whole, I mean, he has a whole Heaven full of resources that is just waiting for sons and daughters to dream with Him, and that’s what is taking place. And I think that even as we are watching this program, you’re going to hear from all over the country and all over the world people, beloved sons and daughters, that start to dream with Papa. And every problem out there is just one dream away.

Sid: And the first step to being a son or daughter is to tell God you’re sorry for everything you’ve done that’s wrong, believe that his blood just washes you clean. You’re given that A+, as Leif likes to say and you say, “Jesus, I make you my Lord. Come and live inside of me and be my Lord.” If you say it’s too simple, you’re right. It is. He’s done all the work. Now just choose Him.

Bruce: Yeah, that was actually Sid, the second time I had seen that.  There was a point about a year earlier where I had been ministering in Singapore and I was caught up into the Third Heaven and there I met my Aunt who had died about eight years previously and she came up, and she was extremely excited, she said, “Bruce it’s so wonderful, there’s so much excitement and activity going on in Heaven.”  And I said, “Why?”  She said, because the Wedding Feast, the Wedding Supper of the Lamb is being prepared, it’s finished and the Lord is preparing a people to come in and she said, “At this point so many people are visiting Heaven to go back and tell the world get ready, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb is prepared.

Sid: You know, I’m noticing that.  I am getting so many reports of people that have gone to Heaven and have come back with the Word, “Jesus is coming soon, repent of your sins and live a holy life.”  That’s the word that I’m getting from people that are going to Heaven.  And some people say, “Well, how do we know whether that’s true or not?  I’ll tell you the truth, it doesn’t matter, with a message like that that’s Biblical, you know.

Bruce: Yes, yes, yes and I found the same thing, too everywhere we travel.  Everywhere, matter of fact, in the last three years we’ve had more people enquiring about, “Tell us about the Rapture, tell us about the end times and the eschatology.”  There’s been a resurge, and it’s a supernatural thing that God’s making people aware whether they understand or not that we’re in a season of transition, look up, look up.

Sid: So in 2007 you’re ministering in Malaysia and what happens?

Bruce: Oh, alright let me finish with that, so when I turned from talking with my her there stood this very large angel who had a scroll in his hand, and behind him as far as the eye could see were what, if you’ve ever been out of port you see these containers filled of goods that have been imported or about to exported.  And so I knew, and I’ve known for years that visions are language so I asked him, “Who are you and what is your function?”  He said, “I am the angel of provision that the Lord has assigned to the saints at the end of the age.”  And He said, “And you have the manifest.” And immediately I knew in my Spirit that as we speak by faith, what we speak is instantly delivered by the Spirit of God.  And so fast forward a year later I’m ministering in Kuala, Lumpur in a church that the pastor and the church have become dear, but as I’m ministering all sorts of supernatural phenomenon are taking place.  And all of a sudden there this angel in the room…

Sid: Well, just out of curiosity, just before the angel, tell me a couple of things that were happening.

Bruce: Spontaneous healing, you know to me I just get more excited when God begins to move sovereignly without us having to implement a program.  That’s allowing God to be God and we’re just there to participate in what He’s doing and so we see a lot of spontaneous healings and deliverances.   And I love that.

Sid: Well, I just heard that someone’s back and neck was just healed.  The spine, someone’s getting a new spine just as you were saying that it just released such an anointing.  So you see an angel, “What happens?”

Bruce: So here’s the angel and immediately the Spirit of Prophecy came on me.  This church was in the process of building a new building for their congregation, and being the angel that was there to minister administer and administer the resources of Heaven the Spirit of Prophecy began to come and I told them exactly what I was seeing and what the Lord was saying, that supernaturally this building would be built in ways they hadn’t expected.  And they were snapping digital images. They had, I had a conference there a year earlier where I had challenged them about the supernatural and we had a very unusual event then.  But I’ll explain that later.  And so as they were taking these pictures, where they caught a supernatural phenomena on a digital camera, which I believe is because digital cameras can catch a frequency of light that we can’t see with our naked eye.  And so they caught these scrolls, this manifest on camera.  That was a miracle in and of itself, but the greater miracle to me…

Sid: But wait a second now, I am looking at it right now, and you’re saying to me this could not be scene with a naked eye except if God showed it to someone, which He showed it to you.  Was this the Torah scroll that the angel was holding, this picture I’m holding in my hand?

Bruce: That’s exactly where he was standing and exactly what he was holding, yes.

Sid: Well, if you want to see this picture, go to our web page at sidroth.org.  I mean this is beautiful.  This is so phenomenal, so he’s holding this torah scroll, and then what?

Bruce: Okay, it looked like a torah scroll, I want to define that, I don’t know if it was torah the torah scroll, but it looked like it and it was a manifest.  And so they entered into their building program, it was in Malaysia they have their currencies ringgit at cost 16,000,000 ringgit for their new facility.  And then sovereignly and supernatural they’d go to their bank account and money would be there.  Bills would come due that very day and finances would show up.  I believe if I remember the story correctly, at one point God began to multiply the building material.  And they kept the process going, so sovereignly and supernaturally the Lord provided until they had an overflow and over abundance of what they needed and they were able to bless other areas.

Sid: You know as you’re telling me this experience that you had, that in affect is what you see about ready to happen for those that know how to enter in right now.   I have your brand new book, just literally off the press, “Called the Prophetic Promise of the Seventh Day.”  And what you’re saying is the day is as thousand years, so we’re entering into the beginning of the seventh day, and the seventh day of the Sabbath is the day of rest.  And I believe that as people read these promises from the scriptures and understand the revelation that you had, the anointing of God is so strong on this book, and as I believe it must be as you speak, that and I’m experiencing it right now as a matter of fact.   That I believe that as people read what God promises for the seventh day, they’re going to enter into it.  Is that what you’re motion was in writing this book?

Bruce: Oh absolutely, absolutely, that my heart is to provoke God’s people out of apathy or lethargy or a religious stupor into realizing the profound destiny and the call of God for their lives on this day.

Sid: Was there anything else you wanted to add about Malaysia?

Bruce: I can tell you another testimony when Jesus physically came into the room and all eight hundred people saw Him.

Sid: Please!  Ha-ha, eight hundred people saw, what did He look like?

Bruce: Well, this is what’s funny, the Lord provoked me, we were doing a conference with the same pastor, Pastor Colin Gordon and going up in the elevator I told him the Lord had challenged me to ask of Him a sign.  And I said that I’m believing the Jesus and resurrected bodily form, every eye will see Him will step into the room.  And everybody will know Him and they immediately got excited and said yes, let’s believe for that.  Well, the Lord has been teaching me for many years and I teach this everywhere I go, we’ve got to get rid of the boxes that we try to create for God; we try and create God in our own image.  And what I mean by that is that we have a preconceived idea of who He is, how He’s suppose to do it and what time and what manner He’s suppose to do it and so we limit God.  And so when I told them what I was believing for we agreed.  Well, what happened is this whole meeting started out rather supernaturally with signs in the Heavens.  I was sitting at the PJ Hilton in Malaysia and lightning was right outside my window, just lightning, lightning, lightning, lightning supernatural.  I knew that it was supernatural I pulled my chair up to the window to watch because it kept striking within about a mile radius.  And a medical doctor who was also an elder in the church said, “He watched that as he was coming down the freeway and when it came time for the meeting that whole lightning moved over the church.”  So we got to the church and it was down pour and this, they had their church in an office complex because it’s not legal to build a Christian Church, you have to start a business and sublet it out to a Christian community.  And so it had a guard gate at the front and a compound and this man was walking down the street, soaking wet, looked like he’d been just mugged and one of the elders said, he came up to He said, “May I come in?”  And the elder said, “Oh please, come on in,” and they took him up to the office, he was soaking wet.  Now the meeting, the worship is going on and the meeting is going on.  And he said, “Brother what I’ll do I’ll go get you a dry shirt, I don’t have any pants but I’ll get you a dry shirt, let’s take you into the men’s room, you got into the first stall and dry off.”  Well, this man says, “No the first stall is dirty I’ll go into the third one.”  And it was what?  It was just as he had said, so they ran into the office and they found a red T-shirt and a bottle of water.  They brought that back in and the man saw the red T-shirt, he grabbed it and he said, I love red.  So he took off his wet shirt and it looked like he had just been flayed within an inch of his life.  They were astounded and not only that there was a hole in his side and holes in his hands.

Sid: Are you telling me, you were seeing Jesus?

Bruce: That’s exactly what…

Sid: Whoop, were out of time.