SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally, it is naturally supernatural. How would you like to have every one of your prayers answered? I mean all of them. Would you really like that? Would you? Would you like all your prayers answered? Well my guest has gone through and learned how faith operates the hard way. I don’t want any of you to go through what she went through. But as a result of the process, she saw the most amazing supernatural answers to prayer, and through revelation, God has taught her how to teach you to have your prayers answered. You want it? Now I know Jennifer LeClaire as the news editor with a major Christian publication, “Charisma Magazine”. But it wasn’t always that way, Jennifer. In fact, when you were three years old you came from a non-Christian home. You actually could see something. You saw a spirit of fear and it has plagued you, it plagued you most of your life.

JENNIFER: It did. I saw that spirit of fear, Sid, in my bedroom. I didn’t know what it was, of course, at the time, being three years old. My mother thought it was my imagination and would come in with a broom and try to chase it away. But it was. It was a spirit of fear that targeted me from a very early age to destroy my destiny.

SID: Now you had a boyfriend you were living with and you had an altercation, and you called 911, and the police came. And then you decided this is going too far, don’t want to do it. And so the police officer didn’t like what you did. There were some charges filed because you didn’t want to file something against your boyfriend, and they haul you off to jail. But then they release you, but you’re not allowed to change cities without notifying them. And everything is going along fine. You then eventually marry this boyfriend and you’re married, and you have a child. And he says, “I’m going on vacation for two weeks.” And you say, “Okay, bye-bye honey.” And then he never shows up. And so she files for divorce. Her attorney in searching things finds out that the paperwork she was supposed to have filed, which she did, to change cities, since she was on probation, she didn’t do. And then in the middle of the night, minding her own business, the police show up at her door. What happened?

JENNIFER: Yeah, they did. I was falsely accused seven years earlier. And I thought it was cleared. I thought it was done. I had done my paperwork. I had done my duty. And sure enough, the police come knocking on my door in the middle of the night. Now I had hired a defense attorney who told me this is a paperwork issue, don’t worry about it, we’re going to take care of it, and I believed him. Then long not before I had a maid who tried to actually extort money from me. She wanted to be paid more than what I was willing to pay her, and she had seen the paperwork from the attorney, and decided, you know what, if I can’t get what I want from you, I’m going to call the police on you, and that’s what she did.

SID: Okay. So now you’re taken away in the middle of the night. You’re put in jail. You have five years of hard time facing you. You’re worried about what’s going to happen to your three-year-old. Your husband has totally disappeared. And some evangelists come to the jail and they start telling you the Good News. Coming from the background you came from, how could you just simply become a believer? Wasn’t that was called jailhouse religion?

JENNIFER: That’s what a lot of people thought when I got out of jail, Sid. But you know, the testimonies, there’s such power in the testimonies, and the testimonies were so powerful. One of the women had been delivered from heroin. She was a heroin addict. And my best friend at the time was a heroin addict. And when I saw what God had done in this woman’s life it so touched my heart. The Holy Spirit, the conviction fell on me, and I decided, you know what, I’m going all the way with Jesus

SID: You went all the way in the world and now you’re going all the way with Jesus. She gets a Bible and for the first time in her life, she devours the Bible. And then the Spirit of God talks to her and says, you’ll be out in 40 days. Now you tell people you’ll be out in 40. Why was it impossible to be out in 40 days?

JENNIFER: It was impossible. First of all, they denied me bail three times, even with an ankle bracelet and even with home arrest, despite the fact that I was working for a Fortune 500 company at the time. So it was incredible that I couldn’t get out. But nevertheless, the judge was going to be on vacation on the 40^th day. There was no way I could even stand before the judge on day 40.

SID: Well day 40 comes and what happened?

JENNIFER: Day 40 came. I was waiting to see another judge, sitting in a cell by myself for hours, where it seemed like hours. I get a phone call from my attorney and he said, “Jennifer, you don’t have to stand before the judge. This has all been taken care of. Get ready to go home. You’re walking free and clear.”

SID: Forty days! There’s something about the number 40. Okay. But what about all the pills you were on for depression and for anxiety? How many years were you on these pills?

JENNIFER: At that time, about 11 years.

SID: Well what happened with that addiction?

JENNIFER: Well you know, they came to give me my medicine and after I got saved they still wanted me to take these medications, and I said, I don’t need this medicine, Jesus. I had joy in my heart for the first time ever. I was free. And they said, you have to take this medication. You know, we went back and forth. Eventually I decided I’d just better do what they say. So I took it. My body rejected it. They didn’t like what they saw next, and they said, okay, you don’t have to take that medicine any more.

SID: Yes, but what happened to your anxiety and your fear, and depression?

JENNIFER: That all went away. I still had a battle to face with fear, but the depression was gone.

SID: And you didn’t take the pills?

JENNIFER: I never took the pills again.

SID: Not only that, she learned faith to such a degree, and I don’t know how you pulled this off, when they let her out in 40 days, all the records were erased. It’s almost like what the Messiah does to our sins. How did that happen?

JENNIFER: You know, there’s just no record of it.

SID: I tell you what. We’re going to come back and I want you to learn how to pray like she prays. I want you to learn how to exercise faith like she exercised faith. Be right back.

Sid: My guest is Bill Morford I’m speaking to him at his home Lexington, South Carolina. Several years ago I got ahold of his Bible translation it is called “The Power New Testament” subtitled “Revealing Jewish Roots.”  When I saw that he had an explanation for such things as the Jewish roots, the Jewish idioms, the Jewish customs, even the tenses of the language that I had never seen in any other Bible before. It is like when the New Testament was written it was written in a Jewish land for Jewish people, and there was no need for explanation of these idioms; no need for explanation of these customs because all of the Jewish people that heard these letters that were read to them from congregation to congregation they understood it. Today a lot of the culture of Christianity has distorted the original meaning of the words in the New Testament. So Bill I am so grateful to the Lord that you invested your life in this “Power New Testament.” Out of curiosity what do you mean by the “Power New Testament?”

Bill: When I was translating Greek, when I was studying Greek, I saw that in the New Testament that the Greek had a lot of power. It was actually a good language for the Jewish authors to use, not as good as Hebrew but it could be just as powerful as Hebrew. But the power was not translated by the scholars that do our ordinary translation. I had no idea that I would eventually publish, but it just irritated me whenever I ministered. I would use the power and bring out the power that the authors had put into the New Testament. So when the Lord told me to get serious with it, and I knew I was going to publish I just translated literally what the authors had written. They often said things like “You must do this immediately,” or “You must continually do this.” Jesus gave stern rebukes at times. It’s just awesome the power that’s in there that’s just missed.

Sid: There are so many things we want to discuss that each one of these things… This is the amazing thing to me Bill, each one of the points that we’ll be discussing this week is enough to change someone’s destiny. For instance, one of my favorite words that you translate, and the way you translate it is the Greek word for “sickness.” Why did you translate that “evil” and perhaps you can give me a scripture where it is used?

Bill: Here’s an example of it in Matthew 4:24, “And His reputation spread through all Syria, and they brought to Him all those having various evils and various diseases, and being tormented and possessed by demons, and being moonstruck, and paralytics, and He healed them.” The word there translated “evils” is translated “sickness” in most translations.

Sid: Okay this is a good point to find out the revelation that God gave you personally about healings some 25 or more years ago. Tell me about that.

Bill: Well it was interesting He forced it on me, of course I believed in it, but it was night at 3:00 in the morning. One of my sons and I were driving back from New England to South Carolina at 3:00 in the morning on a Pennsylvania interstate that was really torn up, and it was shaking the car. The right lane was blocked off for resurfacing, my son was asleep in the backseat. A semi came up right on my back bumper with those big headlights shining and I had a pounding headache that wouldn’t quit. Nowhere to go couldn’t even slow down, so I cried out to Jesus and the headache vanished on the spot. Within a minute it came back and I just said “Oh no, oh no Jesus come back” and the headache left, and I haven’t had a headache since.

Sid: What about other sickness with you?

Bill: None, I haven’t had a sore throat, upset stomach…

Sid: Bill how old are you?

Bill: I’m 75.

Sid: And you’re telling me that you have not had to battle even diseases, and headaches, and stomachaches for how many years?

Bill: Well more than 25 even for headaches. My last prescription was given in 1956.

Sid: Hmm.  So you must have some great insight into healing, but to me once you realize that sickness and disease is evil, and evil doesn’t come from God, I imagine that alone helps you resist.

Bill: It sure does.

Sid: Is there any other insight that comes to mind about healing that has helped you remain in divine health?

Bill: No I’m just determined that he’s not gonna do it. If I get sniffles or something before I went to bed I rebuke it. Haven’t had any discomfort and no problem at night with a stuffy nose in the winter, or whatever.

Sid: Now I love your translation. I’m looking here at Matthew 5:1 many call it the Beatitudes, and you say “Blessed.” Your footnote here says “The Greek word translated “blessed” throughout the Beatitudes is “makarios,” and it means ‘Blessed and happy, or the repentant.’” Where did you get the word repentant?

Bill: That’s a Hebrew idiom that’s in there. That’s the poor in spirit.

Sid: I’ve heard so many people try to explain what that means, but it’s impossible to explain what that means if you don’t know the Hebrew idiom.

Bill: That’s right. I don’t know of any translation that translates the Hebrew idioms in there.

Sid: Okay, we were talking earlier about the title of your New Testament called “The Power New Testament.”  Give me an example of that.

Bill: Okay, Mark 11:23 is one of my favorites.

Sid: That’s one of my favorites too. I’m so glad you’re gonna read that. Here by the way I’ve got a copy, and those that are listening will have one very soon, but until you do I’m gonna turn to follow you that because I mean I have preached from your translation of this. Would you read that for our audience?

Bill: I surely will. “Truly I say to you that whoever would say to this mountain. ‘You must immediately be removed and you must immediately be cast into the sea,’ and would not doubt in his heart but would believe that what he is say is happening, it will be to him. Because of this I say to you, you must continually pray for everything, then for whatever you are asking, believe that you have taken it, and it will be there for you.”

Sid: You know the word that really gets me is when you say “believe that you have taken it.” I have actually preached in healing meetings I want you to reach into that invisible world for your healing, for whatever you need and just take it, grab it. I mean is that the way the Greek expresses it?

Bill: It is. It’s take and our polite translators say “receive” instead of “take.” See Jesus said, He didn’t say “Receive the Holy Spirit,” He said “Take the Holy Spirit.” We’re are supposed to be eager for all of the things of God, and just reach out and take it.

Sid: Let me tell you, I mean there’s just so much were gonnahave to talk about this week. I’ll tell you another favorite in your translation of mine that has opened… Every one of these nuggets Mishpochah open up a whole new realm of understanding from the idioms to the power behind these words, to the tenses, to the Hebrew roots, but in Matthew 18:18 let me read Bill’s translation “Truly I say to you: whatever you would bind upon” then in the footnote you explain “To bind is a Hebrew idiom meaning to forbid. Binding and losing refer specifically to the dietary, Sabbath, and other regulations, including civil law, as well as to spiritual things.” So “Truly I say to you: whatever you forbid upon the Earth will already have been forbidden in heaven with ongoing effect.” In other words, when the Lord prayed “Thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven” it’s already been done in Heaven, that’s what this translation is telling me Bill.

Bill: Right.

SID: Sid Roth here with Steve Solomon. So what happens when a Jewish guy that’s deeply involved in mysticism, the occult, new age, trying to find what were you trying to find, what were you searching for Steve?

STEVE: You know there had to be more to life than just what I was living, there was something out there and I had, there was something drawing me to something, there had to be something more.

SID: All right , you asked two questions, repeat the questions and tell me what happened. Steve, okay, “Is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, are you real, are you out there?” “Is Jesus Christ who he says he is?” Suddenly, remember now for months I had been trying to find a supernatural experience, trying to have something happen, and nothing worked. Suddenly when I asked those two questions simultaneously, I know now what it was, I felt myself lifted out of my body, I felt myself, I know now my soul lifted out, and I saw simultaneously, now the room is dark, all the lights are out, a ball of fire, it looked just like the setting sun, amber in color, real bright, and a right hand came out from the center of this fire across the room, probably about forty feet away, across the room, touched me on my head, pushed my head straight back, and then I heard an audible voice and He said, “Yes I am, what you are doing is wrong, stop and follow Me.”

SID: Well did you just say, ignore it or what did you do with this.

STEVE: No, I was stunned. Two things, I didn’t know who to tell, I knew that I asked if God was alive, the God of my fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, my forefathers, and is Jesus Christ is who he says he is. I got one, “Yes I am, stop what you are doing, and follow me.” I totally stopped what I was doing, all the trying to meditate and all that stuff, I totally stopped, I went home, I didn’t tell anyone because, number one I didn’t know of any Jews who believed in Jesus of Nazareth as being the Son of God, I knew none. I never heard of this that any Jews did believe. And my wife had purchased a Bible when we were going through our marital problems, she had purchased a Bible and so secretly I would take her Bible and start reading the Bible, Old and New Testament behind her back for a few weeks and it was phenomenal. The words just like they were alive, they came off the page. You know I was raised you know and we in Massachusetts there were Jewish sections and Irish sections, and my Irish friends were named John and Matthew you see, and Mark, I thought those were Irish names, you know. They are Jewish names. You know guys in the New Testament like Matthew, you know, Mark, John, all these guys were Jews, and the word of God came alive to me Sid. I read everything, it was phenomenal.

SID: Well did you leave your wife anyway?

STEVE: No, I started preaching to my wife a couple of weeks later. I said you know Sid How did she take this?

STEVE: Not good at first, I said Diane we need to start living for the Lord, and she said, and she said to herself, what does this Jew know about my Jesus anyway? And so she found out that I knew more than what she, you know I told her, I have had an experience with Jesus, she came back to the Lord and the first thing the Lord did, the first thing, he gave us a phenomenal love for each other which stays even to this day and it has been thirty eight years.

SID: A funny story wit your mother-in-law, tell me that?

STEVE: Well, you know my mother-in-law, you know she went to the Four Square Church in Orlando, that’s where Diane got saved, in Orlando, and my mother-in-law was a life-long charter member of that church, she got saved after Diane went to that church as a child with a neighbor, now listen, and once in a while she would say, now Steve, Jesus is your Messiah, and it just wouldn’t mean anything to me, you know, and then she would turn to Diane and go, now Diane you know better, you are a backslider and you know better, but the first person I publicly told other than my wife, we would have dinner at my mother-in-laws house all the time, and then one night we left, I walked back into the door and said Ma I want to tell you something and she goes what? I said Jesus is who you say he is. And I turned around and walked out and she was stunned. And she came to find out that I was; that I had really had an experience with God.

SID: Talk about people being happy, can you imagine how happy his mother-in-law was, how happy his wife is now, how happy he is, how happy his children are, I mean his whole life was transformed, you want to know what happy is? The happiest music I have ever heard is on this CD, River Walk DNA, and there is a song, it is my favorite, it is called River of Life, do you like that?

STEVE: I love it.

SID: Because wherever the river goes, There is healing, let’s hear a selection.

§ music § All right, all right, all right Here we go § If you want to really get happy § § If you want to find yourself a friend § § Let go jump into the river § § For the river is where new life begins § § Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh § § If you want to really get happy § § If you want to find yourself a friend § § Let go jump into the river § § For the river is where new life begins § § If you will search for the river of life, § § Just raise your hands and shout § § If you will search for the river of life § § I’m going to take you to the river § § The river of life § § To the river, the river of life § § I’m going to take you to the river § § The river of life § § music § § All my friends are swimming in this river § § All my friends are swimming in this river §

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. I don’t know about you but I have been breathing the air of heaven and I love that atmosphere. What happens when a Jewish doctor has an incurable illness staring him in the face and the mother comes in and says, “A miracle happened, my son is healed.” And this Jewish doctor says, yet with his own words, we have it on tape we will let you view it in just a couple of minutes, he says, “This is a miracle.” Karen, when you had James he was a healthy little boy the first fifteen months or so, tell me about him.

KAREN: Oh he was wonderful; he was born right on time, happy and healthy, he was one of those children you could just pass to anybody, very calm, everything was perfect, he was right on track.

SID: But at eighteen months something very weird started happening.

KAREN: I mean very weird happened, we had taken him for his well check and literally he started running to the same place in the hall and he would stand backwards against the wall and slam his head back and forth into the sheetrock and I thought I don’t know, maybe this is what little boys do, maybe this is the beginning of the terrible twos but after about a month he literally with his head broke the sheetrock open, there was a hole in the sheetrock.

SID: But then he started doing things even worse bizarre such as eating the sheetrock.

KAREN: Absolutely, he would start picking away the sheetrock, he started eating the rubber backing off of our bathroom rugs, he ate the rubber lining out of the door of our cars.

SID: Now she is not just talking about something, I have got the bills here; there is an eighteen hundred and fifty dollar bill for sheetrock repair.

KAREN: Right.

SID: He would just bash his head in the wall?

KAREN: Yes.

SID: To get the sheetrock to eat it?

KAREN: Yes, he was obsessed with putting things in his mouth and chewing, he would eat a flip-flop off your shoe, he was eating bark off of a tree, and he was just obsessed with putting stuff in his mouth and eating it, things that weren’t food.

SID: The doctors finally diagnosed his condition, what was it?

KAREN: It was classically autistic, there are sixteen markers that make you autistic and he had
all but one of them.

SID: What is the cure rate for autism?

KAREN: Oh there is no cure, it is incurable, there is no treatment and there is no hope and you have it forever.

SID: And how prevalent is it in society?

KAREN: It is what I would call pandemic, it is one in a hundred and fifty births.

SID: On and hundred and fifty births?

KAREN: One in one fifty, in some cities it is as high as one in ninety-eight births.

SID: So how did you cope with this situation?

KAREN: I coped in every way wrong, I coped with drinking and eating and overworking, I couldn’t believe I was in this long nightmare, this was not what I prayed for, this is not what I wanted, I wanted a little boy to be the captain of the football team and a daughter that would be the cheerleader, I didn’t want this rabid child in my house with no way to control him and any professional that we went to doctors, specialists, they all said the same thing, this is what he has, there is no treatment, there is no cure, he will always be like this and at one point you will have to put him in a home.

SID: Now something good came into your life, I mean the way it was headed was pretty bad, I mean did you really face the fact that you would have to intuitionalism your son someday?

KAREN: It took me a long time to come to terms with that but I think women instinctively know that things are getting better or worse and because he was so big for his age I knew that I couldn’t handle him because when he got upset his rage was off the charts, he could not be controlled. When he was little you could give him a toy or redirect, but as he got to be four and five, he was much older and we had another child and he was beginning to be of a danger to her and so I knew that my options were limited and it was where I couldn’t keep him, I loved my child, I adored him but I had no idea what to do with him and I knew that we would have to put him in a home.

SID: So you were desperately.

KAREN: Absolutely.

SID: You turned to drink. You were so desperate you even went to a prayer group that helped you a little bit, what did they do for you?

KAREN: Yes, we were directed by a friend of ours to a deliverance team called Gospel Revelation Ministries and I signed up for personal deliverance, I didn’t know what that was, I grew up in a denominational church, but I knew that I needed to do what ever I needed to do to get to be the person that God wanted me to be so I could raise this handicapped child, so I thought this is what God wants me to do, he wants me to be this great handicapped mother and I am going to raise this child, then that’s what I will do. So I went through deliverance where it identifies what is operational in you life, where there had been some curses, things that happened to me, by other people, by my own actions and words and I just, God set me free from all the things that were binding me up and I was going to be able now to raise this child that God had given me.

SID: Now he also gave you direction on some things to do at home to benefit your son.

KAREN: Absolutely, in the beginning it wasn’t time for, God didn’t say it was time to take James through deliverance initially, but they did tell us to always play praise music in his room continually, praise music is something the enemy cannot stay in the presence of, and that immediately changed his temperaments, I believe our children are tortured the most at night when they sleep, and also to anoint him with oil and pray over him and seal this vessel that nothing could attack him or torture him while he slept, and that initially really changed him.

SID: And then one day they said something that staggered you about James your son.

KAREN: Yes, they said they believed they could take James through deliverance for autism. And I said, “Oh, that’s not possible, if that was possible it would be on national TV shows, it would be on the news, nobody is ever healed of autism.” And they said that is what the Lord said. So who am I to argue with the Lord? And so in January of 2000, they called and they said God said it is time now. And I said time for what? And they said to take James through deliverance for autism so he could be completely healed.

SID: Now was you faith level that something good was going to happen or were you still pretty skeptical?

KAREN: My faith level was that of my experiences, my experiences were, I had been in churches, we had been on staff at churches, my experiences were that most of the Christians I knew were sad, unwell and disappointed in their whole life, I didn’t know Christians that walked in freedom, wholeness and wellness, but I had a little tiny glimmer of hope that just maybe, not for me, but maybe for this boy, that God would show up and do what he said he would do.

SID: Okay let’s find out what happens when they drag James for a deliverance session and I mean, this really should be a movie Karen, you know

SID: Now Craig Hill has identified seven critical times that you should be blessed, and many people have missed these. For instance, pray at conception. You talk about a blessing. Explain.

CRAIG: First of all, you were conceived within the protective hedge of the covenant of marriage. Now in the ancient Hebrew culture, how much chance that you’d be conceived outside of wedlock? Almost zero. Today, how much chance you’d be conceived outside wedlock? Well it’s close to 40 percent in our general population, and certain particularly groups it’s as much as 70 percent in our culture. And secondly, that you would be wanted, that your parents would want a child. And today, it’s very common that a child would be conceived and the parents don’t want that child.

SID: What would happen if a child is conceived and the parents really did not want a child at that time, or didn’t even want a child, but they were willing to abort, but they might have talked about it a lot while the baby inside the mother? Would that affect?

CRAIG: What many people don’t realize is that little children in the womb are very, very sensitive. And they pick up everything emotionally from the mother and even from the father. So they could pick up a huge amount of emotional rejection even in the womb. Where people will struggle for a lifetime with feelings, I don’t belong, I shouldn’t be here, there’s something wrong with me, I’m a mistake, nobody wants me, nobody will love me. That’s the opposite of what God intended. God intended that every little child from the very day they’re conceived should have feelings on the inside. I belong. I’m supposed to be here. I’m wanted. You know, this is amazing thing. God told me one time, Sid, “Your mother only carried you in the womb for nine months. But God carried you in His spirit for thousands of years. And at just the right moment, He released you on this earth.

SID: That is good.

CRAIG: You’re not a mistake. God planned for you even though maybe your mother didn’t.

SID: Tell me about a single mom that raises a child, doesn’t have a father. The child is raised without the father. You talk so much about the father’s blessing. What happens to that child?

CRAIG: Well you know the wonderful thing that we always find is redemption in scripture. And this is the amazing thing. God Himself says, I will be a father to the fatherless. God says, I will be a husband to the one who has no husband. And you know what I found time and time again, Sid? Is that people tell me that when they really understand that a son or daughter, or a single mom says, God, I’m taking you up on your word. You said you would be a father to my son or to my daughter. And the natural father is not there. God, would you please do that. That son or daughter has an intimacy with the Father that is rare, that many other people who don’t have a father don’t have. And in addition to that, God will send other godly men to come alongside and to speak into the life of that son or daughter.

SID: Tell me about the single mom that had the five-year old. I find this almost hard to believe.

CRAIG: I had an incredible experience where I learned about the power of marriage and the protective hedge that a marriage is. A woman came to me and she said, “I’ve got a five-year old little son and I wonder if you can help me.” I said, “What’s the problem?” She said, “He is full of lust.” That’s strange. Most five year olds I know, they’re not even alive to sex. They don’t even know it exists. She said, “Well not my son. He is full of lust. He touches other little children his age in sexual inappropriate ways. He even touches grown adults in inappropriate ways.” She said, “There isn’t a week that doesn’t go by that I don’t receive a call from his teacher or principal at school and he’s done inappropriate things. And we’ve prayed for him. Our pastor has prayed for him. He’s been seeing a psychiatrist for three months and nothing has changed. Can you help me.” Well as I began to pray, I heard the Holy Spirit say, “Just start at the beginning of his life.” So I asked this woman, “Can you tell me how your son was conceived.” She said, “Well,” she began to weep. She said, “That was actually a very immoral time in my life. Even the night when he was conceived, I was with more than one man. I’m not even sure which one probably was his father.” She said, “That continued for another few months and then I met Messiah, gave my life to him. I was delivered from the lust. Never been involved in that lifestyle again. My son has never been molested or violated in any way. I don’t know where he could have gotten this.” And as she shared that, I heard the Father say, “That little boy was demonized by the spirit of lust at the very moment of conception.” I thought, God, that’s unfair. That isn’t right. That shouldn’t happen to anybody. And that’s when I heard the Father say, “Son, for the first time you understand the Law of Moses.” I thought, the Law of Moses. I was thinking back, oh, capital punishment for fornication. I thought, God, that’s so severe. If we apply that today there wouldn’t be hardly anybody left to be alive. And I said, God, why was that so severe? And I heard the Father say, “Son, that wasn’t my severity. That was my mercy for the children.” Because in that society there was no little child that would be conceived without a protective head of marriage because everybody had it. I shared that with this woman and she began to weep. She said, “I did that. I opened the door for my son. What can I do?” And I said, “Well the bad news is you did open the door and you created the situation where there was no protection for your son because the covenant of marriage is that protection. And yes, he’s been demonized. But here’s the good news. Jesus Christ died. His blood was shed to break the power of that because that lust is a curse. That’s not a blessing. And you opened the door. You have authority to close it.” And I said, “Here’s what I want you to do. You and your husband bring your son in here to the pastor and you renounce the inequity of lust.” That actually, as I talked to her more discovered it had been passed down from several generations. She wasn’t the first to open that door. I said, “You break the power of that inequity of lust, renounce it and release it to the cross of Messiah and then exchange that for purity that Jesus died to purchase for you and your son. And then you release that blessing upon your son. And then you speak to the demonic spirit, command it to leave in the name of Yeshua, and it will go. I came back two months later to that city. This woman came running up to me with a five-year old little boy with her and she said, “Remember me?” And I didn’t. But she began to share the story. And I said, now I remember you. And she said, “You wouldn’t believe what happened. We did what you said and when we commanded that demonic spirit to go,” she said, “instantly it left.” She burst into tears and she said, “I got my son back! I got my son back! He’s a normal five-year old little boy.”

SID: Listen to this. If you know the truth, the truth will set you free in any area. Nothing is hopeless in Jesus. Study the truth book, the Bible. Do what it says. Watch the victory.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Last week we found out about these amazing prophecies buried in the Vatican, 900 years ago, what would happen to each pope all the way up to the last pope. On this show we’re going to continue and we’re going to talk about the Vatican’s secret plans for welcoming an alien god with a small “g” under the last pope. Last week talked about St. Malachy. And Cris, I have to ask you, does the pope know about these prophecies? Do the cardinals know about the prophecies and what do they think of them?

CRIS: Well Sid, there’s actually a lot of evidence that they do take it seriously. In fact, Pope Pius XII, who was the pope during the World War II, he actually produced a documentary film about himself, and the title of the film is the Malachy motto for his papacy, “Angelic Shepherd.” He actually entitled the film after the Malachy Prophecy’s prediction for him. So he not only endorsed it, he claimed it.

SID: Okay. Tom, as just a short review, what, based on the prophecies out of the Vatican that were hidden for all these generations, are they anticipating with the final pope?

TOM: Well the idea among both Catholics and Protestant scholars is that he will be the final pope. He is the one who is going to be residing over the Vatican as it enters into the great tribulation period, and there’s also the belief among even some of the Catholic mystics that he might be a false pope, an anti-pope, somebody who gives rise to the Antichrist.

SID: Let me tell you something, Judaism, Christianity and other religions have focused on the year 2012. You know, you remember, the Mayan prediction, the end of the world in 2012. So everyone has discounted all of that. But that’s not exactly what the prediction said. What did it say?

TOM: In the conferences where I spoke last year, I kept telling people, don’t say it’s the end of the world. That’s not what the Maya said, that’s not what the Aztec, that’s not what the Cherokee Indians said, all of whose calendar rolled over at the end of 2012. What was it that they were saying? They were saying 2012 was the end of an era and 2013 marks a new dispensation. Now the Maya said some things that were very interesting. They said it would be marked by the emergence of two great male figures that would emerge upon the earth. That doesn’t sound very much like they’re talking the false prophet and the Antichrist. They talked about their god, Bolon Yakte-K’uh, the spirit of it coming up from out of the underworld. Now what does this god do? He guards the bones and the seed of the giants that are in the underworld, and that that spirit would begin to rise in the year 2013, giving birth even to a new form of humanity.

SID: You’re talking about what I’ve read about and pondered about so many times in the Bible. Maybe you’ve read about this where the Nephilim, where the sons of god cohabitated with the daughters of humans and produced great giants. That’s what it sounds like to me.

TOM: That’s exactly what I’m talking about. And furthermore, turn of the century preachers, including Jonathan Edwards, marked the year 2012 to 2016 as the date when the false prophet and the Antichrist would appear. Dozens of Protestant reformers marked these years hundreds of years ago. Not only that, and you appreciate this with your Jewish ministries, the Zohar, one of the most important books of Jewish Kabbalah ever written.

SID: It is accepted in traditional Judaism as coming from God. It’s not all from God, I can tell you, as a fact. But it’s an interesting situation that it talks about.

TOM: In a section of the Zohar called “Signs Heralding the Mashiach”, the coming of the Messiah, they marked the year 5773, which in the Jewish calendar began in September 2012, and comes through into this year, 2013, and said that was the time, in fact, much of the prophecies are almost identical to the prophecy of the pope’s. It is a time that will lead to the destruction of Rome, and more importantly, they said at time Messiah will begin making himself known to the nations of the world. This 700 years ago prophesied that between 2012 to 2013, the emergence of the Messiah would appear on Earth, almost an identical parallel to cultures around world, that for thousands of years saw these dates specifically as the time when the End Times would begin.

SID: Speaking of End Times, many of you are familiar with the apparitions of Mary in Fatima, and people going there and being healed. But it’s not exactly the way we’ve been told, is it Cris?

CRIS: No it’s not. What would happen if there was a massive UFO sighting? Well what happened in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 was really just that, in my opinion. Now up to 70,000 people gathered in a field supposedly to see an apparition of the Virgin Mary. But if you go and read the descriptions of what people call “the miracle of the sun”, they actually describe seeing a gray silvery disk rotating around the sky and kind of putting a cascade of colors, like a rainbow of colors. So really in 1917, no one had the vocabulary of words like “flying saucer”. That’s exactly what it sounds like they’re describing to me.

SID: I’ve always thought Mary just appeared in the sky.

CRIS: It really wasn’t Mary at all. They’re talking about a sphere or a silver disk.

SID: And that same flying saucer, let’s call it for what it is, demonic, according to my notes here, in 1950, Pope Pius XII saw the same thing. Explain that.

CRIS: Well what’s interesting about the Marian dogma and all these things that we don’t see in the Bible, the theology has sort of escalated over time. Now in 1950, Pope Pius saw a sphere over the Vatican gardens, the same sort of thing that you hear about at Fatima. Now this sighting of this opaque sphere, flying saucer, UFO, inspired him to define a new doctrine that all Catholics have to believe, and that is that Mary ascended into Heaven, just like Jesus does in Acts, Chapter 1.

SID: Wait until you find their research of what the Vatican is ready to announce in reference to End Time Bible prophecy and in reference to aliens coming to Planet Earth. We’ll be right back.

SID: My guest Rich Vera went to Heaven and had so much revelation downloaded to the Word of God. One of my favorite passages of all the Bible is the prophet Isaiah, the 53^rd Chapter. Why? Because it is a perfect description of the Messiah, Jesus. And it was written eight to 900 years before Jesus came to Earth. What did Isaiah teach you about that, Isaiah 53?

RICH: You see, I was able to see in a vision. You know, when Isaiah talked to me it was the voice of the Lord talking, but it was him talking. And that’s when I realized that when we read the Word of God it’s not just somebody’s opinion. It is literally the Lord talking through the prophets. And when I saw Isaiah 53, I saw the cross, and I saw Jesus’ crucifixion. And the power of that event that Jesus did not die just to forgive our sins, even though that’s a main thing. But there’s wholeness. There’s the healing of the spirit of the soul and the body that happened on that cross, that happened to shed the blood of Jesus. You know, many times we have forgotten about the cross and we have forgotten about the blood. But really, it was on the cross, in the Old Testament when they looked at the serpents on the pole. You know, Moses said, “Whosoever looks shall live.” Well there was a shadow of the crucifixion, and in the cross our sins were there, our sicknesses. So when he spoke this to me his voice came out with such a power. And I realized, we emphasize on the cure of the body. Most people that talk about healing talk about cures. But in reality when you get the spirit inside of a person well and whole, then the healing of the body will following automatically.

SID: And that’s the missing link. That’s why a lot of people even, they get healed and then it seems like the symptoms come back so easily. It’s because those same wounds are still there.

RICH: Exactly. There are some [unintelligible] that have not dealt with [unintelligible] that we spoke about inequity. You know, there are so many things that we don’t allow, and then we want things from God. And then when they don’t work the enemy comes to deceive us. Well maybe God don’t want to heal, it’s not your time or so many things. But I found that in the presence of the Glory of God there’s wholeness. You see, Heaven was all about the Glory. Heaven, there is not an ounce of anointing in Heaven. There is no anointing in Heaven. The anointing is for the Earth. But Heaven is all about the Glory because Heaven is all about God. In Heaven, no one is insignificant. Isaiah, all these people that I saw and I was able to converse, they had one message to me. I asked them a thousand questions and their message was the Glory, and the Glory is God. So Heaven is full of His glory. God fills Heaven. Worship is directed. Everything is directed towards a person of God. I was able to see up on a hill the palace of God, and I said a palace because it looked to me like a palace covered by a shot, by a cloud. But it was a dark cloud like a cloud that’s about to pour rain. And that dark cloud, it covered half of the palace. And the palace was up on the mountain. I was trying to run up to catch it, because my mind is still at work. So I’m thinking, I’m going to go up there real quick and just touch it a little bit. And the more I ran up, the higher it went. I understood when it says, “I saw the Lord and He was high and lifted up.” So not only He is high, but He’s in a continuous state of going higher. And the worship of the people is what exalts, the word “exalt” is to bring high. So God is on continuous exultation. And the way we connect with God, really I learned, is to worship, is to finding that connection. And then I saw suddenly that a door opened up and this river came down from the palace. When this river came down it looked like if it was as thick as liquid chocolate. But it was the water that came out, it was gold, it was like gold liquid. And the water would curl and would come down. It looks almost like a cartoon. And suddenly I hear a voice as the water is coming down, that that was the river of life, and anything that it touches it turns it back into life. And I could see the grass and some of the flowers that it would go right through, and it would come alive. They were alive.

SID: So that river is available today. And I’m going to ask you to pray, especially people that have these inequities, these wounds in their souls that are preventing them from activating the promises of God. I believe if you pray for them right now there is going to be a supernatural river of life.

RICH: I believe that. You know, most of us we deal with transgressions. You know, transgressions is the act of what we do wrong. You know, but there’s a thing in the Bible that’s called inequity, which is that inner cause that makes you do the other sins. Most of us, we’re clean. We say we don’t do smoke, we don’t drink, we don’t do this. But yet if we don’t deal with what’s in our heart, the wickedness of our heart, the things that was inherited, then eventually that scene will come back again causing you to fall. And that’s why so many good people, maybe you’re watching us and you are a good believer, and you don’t know why you fell into a sin, into a thing, it is because you never dealt with the issue of the heart. And I pray right now in the name of Jesus there are many ministers, people called to minister right now and you fell away, and you felt God is done with me. But no, the Lord wants to restore your life. He did it for me, and it was His presence, it was His voice, His word that completely delivered me. And I know God wants to restore you. And I pray in the name of the Lord Jesus that this will be the day and the hour where the Lord restores your life, heals you, remove every generation or curse out of your life and brings the presence of the Holy Spirit into every compartment of your heart and of your soul, and heals you in the name of Jesus.

SID: You know, I feel, as you’re talking right now I am hearing words of knowledge. I am hearing that people with arthritis in their fingers, if you will  move your fingers the arthritis is gone. And others, right there, I’m speaking to you. If you have a pain in your neck or your back, if you’ll just stand up, stretch, touch the ceiling, you know what I’m saying, move your head, you’ll see that that pain is totally gone, is very strong, and fingers. Is God showing you anything?

RICH: Yeah. You know, definitely arthritis. There is somebody with a back problem and you had an accident, and you have been in extreme pain for many years because of your back. Some of your discs were damaged. The Lord is healing you right now. There’s a great healing in your body. There’s also somebody else with a blockage on your ear, on your hearing right now that the Lord is delivering you from that stuff. There is people with depression, heavy depression, and the Lord is lifting that veil of depression out of your life and you’re being free right now by the power of the Holy Spirit.

SID: And I can say this to you right now. This show was designed for you. Remember when I said, come home? That was for you. God is not angry with you. He sent his son to die for you. And I tell you, you would not be watching this show if there wasn’t time to come home. Turn from your sin, turn to God, believe Jesus died and is your Lord and lives inside of you, and rose from the dead.

SID: How would you like to be in a foreign country and have a doctor say, you’ve got 80 tumors and you have about three months to live. Good opportunity to be fearful. What happened to you, Gary?

GARY: Sid, God gave me such a conviction in my spirit that it was not cancer and it turned out it wasn’t. I’m the only white person alive that they have diagnosed this disease anywhere that they know of on the east coast. And now they found it that the last time they did an MRI of my lungs, there’s down to two the size of a pinpoint. No chemotherapy, nothing whatsoever. God just moved miraculously in a supernatural way. But the real that God has done that is so critical in this, is that when there’s a voice of fear, it can be a diagnosis. For many of these countries that you reach into it can be a juju. It can be someone who’s bringing a curse, decrees and death upon a person. It can be the fear of treading into areas of reaching their family’s history that has created such a tormented life.

SID: If you find that heart trouble runs in a family.

GARY: That’s right.

SID: Tell me what was wrong with your father, and that’s shorthand for saying, I put this curse on you.

GARY: Right. Exactly. And these curses are so real because we adopt them, we accept them as standards, as reality, false evidence appearing real. So and we need to know the difference that the greater one lives on the inside of us, that the love of God that has penetrated our hearts is more supernatural than any voice that speaks against us. As a father, I would never put a disease on my child. As a father, I would never see my child go unwanted. As a father, I would never see my child go into a car crash, into some disease or some prolific situation that destroys their life. And that’s how God’s love is in us. It is the power of God to rise up and conquer fear, because perfect love casts out all fear. But you must understand that fear is a voice that wants to paralyze us from the purpose and plan of God in our life. If we are stopped by fear at any juncture, we are not able to take the next steps. God has given me the keys to break the bands of the fears that cripple the minds of men.

SID: Would you teach on one or two of these keys right now. Would you do that?

GARY: One of them is simply the presence of natural information. As you see it and the voice that you hear, because there’s a spirit behind that natural information, and God has given us power. It says in Romans, Chapter 8, “God never gave us a spirit of bondage to fear, but one that cries out, ‘Abba Father,’” Daddy God. That we are not limited. So there’s a spirit that induces fear, number one.

SID: You know, I’m reminded of the scripture. It says, “God has not given us the spirit to see the word of fear.” It actually is a spirit. We think it’s ourself. We think it’s everything but what it is. It’s a spirit. It’s an enemy.

GARY: And it must be conquered. And it’s conquered by the indwelling nature of Christ within us, the action on his name, the name Jesus, Yeshua, and the power of the spirit that God has given to us. Then there is fear that comes by trusting the natural flesh. I’m not capable of overcoming this. I’m not able to deal with this. And the fear that comes by trusting in our intellect, in our natural ability. But we’re not natural, Sid. We are supernatural children of God endowed by Him with the power of the resurrection life of Almighty God.

SID: I have to tell you. Can I tell you a confession?

GARY: Go ahead. I’m listening.

SID: All right. I’ll tell you a confession, too, and I’ll tell you a confession, too. I don’t have the ability that you see me demonstrating every week. I don’t, and I learned a long time ago that I never will. But if I lean on God, He always helps me out.

GARY: Absolutely.

SID: So I could be fearful knowing that I’m kind of limited in my abilities. I really am. But I’m unlimited in Him.

GARY: Absolutely.

SID: Unlimited. You are unlimited in Him. You are unlimited in Him

GARY: The power of God is so overwhelming in every believer if they just access and become aware, acknowledge the life, nature, Christ that is within. God has given us life post-mortem. Think about it. We began after death. We don’t begin with this life. We begin after death having conquered Hell death in the grave and we are more than conquerors through Him who loves us. So there is nothing in this earth. There’s nothing from Hell. There’s nothing from man or disease that has the power to stop a child of God. We are supernaturally endowed by God

SID: Gary, you have seen with your own natural eyes so many miracles. Tell me one about eyes that you’ve seen.

GARY: I’ve watched God. We had a crusade over in Zaire, which is now the Democratic Republic of Congo, and we lined up 60, 70 people that had milky gobs in their eyes, no eyeballs at all. We were on national television on the presidential steps. And the Spirit of God spoke to me to have them video all the eyes before God moved. And then we prayed for God to just demonstrate the power to create eyeballs. And God put new eyes in every one of those people. We had such a flood of tens of thousands of people across the land coming to Christ. It was such an overwhelming. They brought the military out to try to stop hoards of people from coming to the steps of the palace of the president.

SID: Now let me ask you this. Money. That’s a big hot potato with a lot of people today. You had to raise $4-1/2 million. There’s no way you could raise this. And then you started teaching the members of your congregation how to prosper. What happened?

GARY: God spoke to me to invite 20 families to our living room. One of the people that came to our living room, I helped bail out of jail for prostitution. Another one, we were helping pay their electric because they couldn’t pay their electric bill. Another one we were helping them pay their rent because they couldn’t pay their rent. There wasn’t one person in those 20 families that had the capacity of giving anything. But the Spirit of God spoke to me to tell them that God was putting into their hands, each one of them, over $20,000 to donate, and they were to stand up in front of the church the next day and tell the entire congregation they’re giving up to a half-a-million dollars, and they wanted the church to match it with them. And we’re talking people that had no money. And within 30 days, the first month, the next 30 days, the entire million dollars came in. We had people that never saw money flood into their lives. One family gave over $80,000. That was the one we helped pay the electric bill. Within the first 60 days, the spirit of God flooded that place and just poured out such wealth. It was overwhelming, Sid, just to see one thought from God cripple the voice of the banks saying, unless you have this money, we’re taking that property.

SID: Well we’re coming into some pretty rough times on Planet Earth, if you haven’t noticed. But these are going to be the best times. Look, God doesn’t want to make you a millionaire just to make you a millionaire. You have a greater, you have a higher purpose, you have a higher destiny. You just think that God is a good sugar daddy that’s going to just make things wonderful for you. You have a purpose much greater than all the money in the world. You have a destiny. You have a fingerprint unlike anyone that has ever existed before or after you, and no one can do what you can do. And so why are you frittering away your life on nothing when you could have everything. Everything is knowing that Jesus died for your sins, knowing that you are righteous because Jesus lives inside of you. Hearing God’s voice and fulfilling your destiny. There is no close second. So come to your senses. Your mother didn’t raise a dummy. Make Jesus your Lord. Make Jesus your Lord.

GARY: Amen.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have so been looking forward to this guest, because as a young boy, he heard the voice of God, and God called him to be a worship leader, a modern day Levite. And this man spent eight hours a day worshiping God. He’s paid the price and you are going to get the glory that comes off of this man as he sings. I mean, people get delivered of everything you could imagine. They have supernatural experiences. They get physically healed. They get spiritually healed. Every addiction you can think of can’t take the heat of the anointing. Now my guest, many of you are familiar with, Eddie James, seeing as he’s number three on the Gospel charts. Eddie, what intrigues me so much about you is you’re a young boy. You’re saved and you hear the voice of God. What did He say to you?

EDDIE: Well I will never forget it The Lord spoke to me when I was eight years old when I gave my life to Jesus Christ. And the moment that I did I heard the Lord say, I’m going to use you. You’re going to be a minister of the Gospel through music and I’m going to take you to the nations of the world. And that’s what he spoke to me.

SID: Was it inside or was it an audible voice?

EDDIE: I audibly heard that. It was as if everything in the room tuned out and I just heard the voice of God as if it was my father calling. I audibly heard His voice.

SID: Okay. What’s a young kid do? I can tell you what a young kid does. He goes to his mother and tells her. What did she say?

EDDIE: Well you know, I told my father first when I got in a car with him to go home and he said, tell your mother what you told me. When I told her that she was so moved. And she had received a prophecy while I was in her womb. She wasn’t even showing yet. This man came from Africa, called my mother out of the choir that she was in and spoke to her those exact same words, and she wrote his words on a card, and she pulled it out of her Bible when I told her that.

SID: You know, from the little bit that I’ve heard about your mom, I can see why she’s your hero. Is she really? Tell me the truth.

EDDIE: Yeah. Naomi is powerhouse in the name of the Lord. She’s my hero.

SID: You know, we don’t have time to go over it, but you saw so many miracles at home because you didn’t have much. You saw food materialize. You saw healings. That was natural for you.

EDDIE: Yes. We were in a time when my family hit a very struggling moment financially. And during that season the Lord showed me faith through the prayer life and of my mother, and how the Lord would answer her. And you mentioned the food thing. I’ll never forget, we had no food in the cupboards. She sat us down around the table and she put the pots on the stove as if she had something to cook. But I knew because I had been in there, no food in the refrigerator or in the cupboards. And then the doorbell rang. After praying, the doorbell rang and I turned around in my seat to watch what was going to happen, because my mother had been in the Spirit all day. She goes to the door, opens the door. There are 12 bags of groceries around the doorstep.

SID: Listen, you think that’s something. He saw his mom pray for gas when they needed gas to drive the car, and he saw the dial on the gas meter go all the way up.

EDDIE: Yes, absolutely.

SID: I mean, he’s seen every miracle as a kid. I mean, I didn’t even know my left hand from my right hand as a kid. But wait until you hear this song by Eddie James, you see, because he got it from an open vision from Heaven. And he heard aborted babies, babies that died young. So you have a big burden for aborted babies. When they were singing in this what you heard, you used the, is it dah, dah, dah. Explain that.

EDDIE: Open vision in Gaston, Alabama, pastor’s home, preparing for service, and I come into this vision, and I heard this song called, “I Need You.” And there’s a part in this song where it didn’t make sense to me at first, [singing] dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. [speaking] And I said, what is that? And the Lord took me into this place where were these children that were singing. Many of them had been aborted. Some of them had died as miscarriage. Some of them had died young. They were worshiping God. It was the sound of worship from those children.

SID: I tell you, I prophecy to you, your hunger for God is going to grow as you hear, “I Need You”.

EDDIE [music, singing] Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. I need you. I long for you. My heart and my flesh cries up for the Living God, for the Living God. Invite your ear, the trembling and tears are yearning. To the throne of grace, to seek your face, I’m yearning loving for God. I need you. I need you. For nothing and no place no one else will do. I need you. I need you. For you satisfy the long inside. I need you. I need you. For nothing and no place no one else will do. I need you. I need you. For you satisfy the longing inside. Lord, we need you. I need you. For nothing and no place will do. I need you, oh I need you, Lord. For you satisfy the longing inside. I need you, I need you. For nothing in no place will do. I need you, Lord I need you. I need you, Lord I need. For no place, no one else will do. Jesus, I need you, yes I need you. Oh but you satisfy the longing. Jesus, I need you. For no place, no one else will do. I need you. For you satisfy the longing. Jesus, I need you, Lord. Jesus, I need you. No place, no one else will do. Jesus, I need you. Lord I need you. Satisfy the longing. Jesus, I need you, yes, I need you, Lord.

Sid:I am so excited about Julie True’s destiny; her destiny is to release an anointing a supernatural anointing of peace which gets rid of all blockages within you. All traumas within you which people are able to sleep.  As a matter of fact you had one testimony of someone that wrote into you about heavenly fragrances tell me about that.

Julie:  Yes, she said that when she played my music and listened to my music that she was smelling sweet fresh flower like a rose.She said I have no perfume or anything so what is that?  And she said that it any time I listen to your music I have deep rest and I can worship and pray deeper and so I love that that’s awesome.

Sid:Also there’s so many people with sleep problems do people actually play your music all night and they get deeper and they get better sleep, and they start dreaming about heavenly things rather than the junk that a lot of people dream about?

Julie:  Yes I have heard that a lot where people are able to sleep and it just keeps and atmosphere of God’s presence in their house and they don’t have as much trouble waking up.

Sid:Well, I just saw someone’s hip it’s just been restored in Jesus Name, your hip is restored.  What is soaking to you Julie?

Julie:  Soaking to me being still, quieting my soul, awakening my spirit and just dialing down from thinking and really letting God just flow through me and speak to me and interact with me, and it’s a time of receiving.  And when I’m leading when I’m on the leading side of soaking and not just laying out on the floor, for me it is about just singing my heart to God whatever is in that moment and letting Him…to me soaking is like, you know we can get all this hard stuff on our heart sometimes and soaking is like water does it just softens things.  It softens things, it washes away all of the debris and it cleanses us.So it’s just a time of really stopping life and being still and letting God go deep in your heart.

Sid:Well, I believe that God want to go deep in the heart of those that are listening right now.In the barn years were you were really just plain desperate for God and you would go to a freezing cold barn at night with no heat and just worship God knowing it was only you and God.  Tell me about the song “Oh My Soul.”

Julie:  Well, I was learning to read and to sing the Psalms.That Psalm just really connected with me in that moment of desperation and so I began singing it.  And I love how honest the Psalms are, you know you can be real with God and you can say I don’t get it, I need answers I have lots of unanswered questions here.  And you just start speaking to your soul and saying “Find rest in God alone.”  And so I began singing that over myself and that is how that song came into being.

Sid: I can feel, I’ll tell you what Julie I can feel the river of God flowing right now.Someone’s neck was just healed in Jesus Name.

Julie True“Oh, My Soul”

Sid:That was Julie True singing “Oh My Soul.”…