Sid: Somebody has just been physically healed if you have a neck ache; if you move your neck right now you’ll see the pain is totally gone; you’ll also see that the pain in your hip and the pain in your back is gone. If you’re driving pull off to the side of the road because it’s very important for you to do your part God’s just done His part through a word of knowledge you’re part is to just test it; that you can do. Now I’m speaking to Dr. Doug Weiss on probably one of the most significant topics we’ve discussed in quite a while. Because as it’s affecting every household; it’s affecting every family; and it’s out to destroy your family and it’s sinister it’s sexual sins. In particular pornography, but every type of sexual sin. Doug as I’m looking through your literature and beginning to understand how the brain operates; I told you I usually on TV you talked about using something for medication; my medication is TV. But I watch good things; I watch sports, I watch news, but I’m having trouble even watching that these days on television. You know I’m just even the stuff that’s approved for children; I mean I see the cartoons I don’t watch them but I’ve seen the cartoons I wouldn’t want my children seeing those cartoons they’re demonic!
Doug: Absolutely, and my kids didn’t what that; we don’t do TV as a practice I don’t really watch TV if I get a couple hours a year it’s usually like you know like someone like the President is getting elected or something like that. I want to know about that but the world is trying to get you to lust and move towards its product and lust is one of the emotional enticements he uses, and that’s why scantly clothed woman sell tires, it doesn’t make no sense no guy looks at a women to by a tire; you know when you go to the tire store there is no beautiful woman there; there’s a bunch of greasy guys right. So… but those principles that the enemy is trying to bring his 10 commandments into entertainment and God has His 10 Commandments. I used to tell my kids “Let’s watch something until they break 3 Commandments.”
Sid: Well, that eliminates almost everything except some Christian TV. (Laughing)
Doug: And what happens with television which is really scary Sid my first paper in Bible School was on this is when you watch TV within 3 minutes you literally go into an altered state. So your conscience is really not available to you much; what a little kid watch TV and their bottom jaw drops. There as close to being asleep as they possibly can be.
Sid: So it’s hypnotic.
Doug: It is hypnotic that is exactly what it is; and the world is actually throwing it’s ideas into our hearts directly.
Sid: Many years ago I heard about subliminal advertising and then I haven’t heard much about it; where they put a message in that your conscious mind doesn’t hear but it actually gets into you.
Doug: Well, you don’t even need that; I mean just look at some of the beer commercials and the car I mean there is enough lust going on there and again lust, sin and death. And it’s not just lust for pornography and sexual behaviors. It’s lust for the bigger car, or the bigger house, or the more you get discontented with what God has already given you the inheritance you have.
Sid: What about TV that has violence; it seems as though that’s big time.
Doug: Well, yeah and that’s well so you know “Thou shall not murder.” Right? So you can be off in less than 3 minutes. Okay, I totally agree now; we live in a culture where the entertainment is going to be there. We’re the only culture though that has had so much entertainment that we actually have to budget it. Okay, and I really think Christians don’t budget their entertainment.
Sid: What do you mean budget it?
Doug: Give themselves so many hours of entertainment a week; 3 hours, 5 hours, I mean you don’t need to be entertained 20 hours a week; that’s ridiculous Sid.
Sid: Well, we’re a nation that has stopped reading books because of TV and computers.
Doug: Well, but the church is to be the light; go out and heal people; go out and cast out a demon; go set people free; go share God; do something to advance the Kingdom. If we would just spend one…
Sid: But the church is trained to be an audience, that’s the way the church is today; we have the paid professional that does the work; we go we pay him and we listen to a wonderful presentation and then we go home and watch TV and we put the hours in TV outnumber the hours that we read the Bible or that we’re in church. And no wonder this has happening.
Doug: Well that’s the whole point, that’s what I’m saying, budget your entertainment; give yourself a limit and live within that limit. Because you don’t need to…your life is not so bad you live in the best country in the world; you don’t need to be entertained 20 hours a week; that’ ridiculous!
Sid: Alright, explain to me what happens to someone’s brain… first you said “We almost go into a hypnotic position when we’re watching TV for a period of time” and then they can slip their message not subliminally they can slip their message really into… what happens to someone who watches TV to just relax and falls asleep and they don’t even know what they’re taking in.
Doug: You know I don’t know what all the consequences are but I know that you begin to take on a worldly world view; and you become to become desensitized towards the Spirit and things of God. You just become desensitized to well, it’s okay to sleep with other people; it’s okay to do this; it’s okay to sin a little bit; it’s okay to you know do this sometimes. And most of the things are not okay to do ever, and so you begin to slip into again lust, sin and death. You begin to move down a process where you become unclean, defiled but you don’t know it; that’s the scary part Sid.
Sid: But talk a bit about the images formed inside of you, and then when real life conforms with the image what happens?
Doug: Absolutely especially those guys who used pornography or the media and they take that and when they have sexual encounter they literally glue that image into their brain. Now suppose that’s you know we were talking about Joe on another show; his was particularly blonds; so when he sees a blond he’s going to see blonds as an object instead of a child or daughter of God. Okay if he does that with red heads he’s going to attached sexual reinforcement to that redhead who’s a Godly woman who you shouldn’t be looking at that way anyway. But what we do to our brain could be what I call set up land minds in the book “Clean” and when you see a landmine in reality it can trigger lust because you’ve trained your brain to lust after that particular type.
Sid: So what does someone do that’s been raised their babysitter was TV and now computers, and they’ve taken all this; they have all these images inside of them. So they have all these land minds, what can someone do about it?
Doug: Well, “In Clean” I tell them, I mean real practical Sid, if you’re struggling with images and lust in your brain and stuff like that put a rubber band on one of your wrist and every time you lust you check some girl out you rubberneck or make her an object one dimensionalize her, snap it. Quote a scripture afterwards you know “Think of things that are true, just worthy of praise.” I love what you said earlier about being pure hearted, whatever works but start negatively reinforcing lust shut it down.
Sid: Now let me see if I understand this alright; are you saying put a rubber band around your wrist and snap it so that you hurt yourself?
Doug: Yeah, I’m saying spank the dog.
Sid: Okay, (Laughing)
Doug: I mean if your dog is kind of peeing on the carpet you spank the dog.
Sid: Okay, I just wanted to make sure I got that. (Laughing)
Doug: You got it, but you may be how red. I do a lot of man’s conferences in the country and I hand out like I’ll hand out 500 rubber bands and I’m preaching on Sunday. So this is like….
Sid: I think that every pastor ought to pass out rubber bands this Sunday.
Doug: Oh, I think so too.
Doug: And there are a lot of churches that are trying hard I mean “Clean” is making an impact. There are people that aren’t sitting and watching; and your audience is probably very active in their church and we need active people to really help this move down to…the church needs to be the church in this next decade; it really needs to be the church.
Sid: You know you’ve got to tell everyone the story about Tom the head greeter that took this message so seriously what he did.
Doug: I love him, I want Tom’s in every church; so Tom heard the message of “Clean” and he heard the thing about you know confessing to each other and holding each other accountable. And so he was the greeter so he would literally ask the two questions that I talk about in “Clean” to every man who walked into the door. He said “How you doing with…” and he’s ask those two questions about self-behavior and pornography and if the guy drooped his head and said “Hey I’m kind of struggling.” He’d say “I want you to go to this group; I want you to get in there. And what happened is there became this culture where it was okay to talk about it in the men’s side of the family. And that church has several support groups; the men are honest about what’s going on and that church is growing and multiplying because the men are clean and they’re talking about being clean. Really it only takes one guy in any church to start being the solution to get this cancer out of the church. Because in every man’s spirit they want to be clean, clean is in there they cry out to be clean.
Sid: I have to tell you it’s the most wonderful thing in the world to be clean.
Sid: I love it and you’ve been clean how long Doug?
Doug: Over 25 years.
Sid: So you know what it’s like to not be clean; I do too, I mean I wasn’t saved until I was 30. I know what it’s like to be clean because I’m in my 70′s now and I have been clean all this time. And I have to tell you clean is better! (Laughing)
Doug: Yeah, it’s kind of like that statement I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor; rich is better.
Sid: Yeah. (Laughing)
Doug: (Laughing) But yeah you want to have a clear conscience and the great thing is Sid is like what you’re offering on the program anybody can do this thing; anybody can start it. Anybody can be the solution; you don’t need to be you know a pastor to do this; a plumber, a real estate guy, an electrician these are the kind of guys that are getting the battle done. It’s us; it’s not what you call the professional team.
Sid: Okay, let me explain the kit that Doug has put together for us it’s called “The Clean Kit” and it is good to be clean. It’s 2 DVD’s and a book and a journal and if someone follows these steps. It’s sexual addictions, but how about gluttony, how about gossip, how about TV, how about whatever your addicted, how about drugs; how about homosexuality; whatever you’re addiction you can be clean. What’s your experience with people that go through the course and do the work?
Doug: If they do the work their lives are changed, a lot of guys who are self-employed their incomes more than double which is kind of cool side-affect for pastors. If they’re spiritual leaders their ministries tend to expand; their marriages improve, their spiritually and emotionally way more mature. And they feel good about themselves and often times they’re destiny begins to release and it’s really exciting to see these guys who were kind of so selfish and self-absorbed become real spiritual men at home, the church and their community.
Sid: You know there are so many people listening to us right now that are sabotaged and some don’t even realize it because and because it’s little compared to what they call the big sins. But the Bible talks about the little foxes and let’s get that sabotage out before it becomes a fox. Woops we’re out of time.
SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Just breathe in the rarified air of Heaven. I prophesy to you, you will, you will hear God’s voice. You will! You will hear God’s voice. You will be normal, normal as defined by the Bible. Because my guest has been called by God to mentor you in hearing God’s voice. You know, as my guest travels around the country and he asks people to raise their hands, how many people hear God’s voice on a regular basis? What percentage would you say do not?
RICHARD: Over 90 percent. It doesn’t matter what denomination where I’m speaking over 90 percent cannot say that they hear God on a regular basis.
SID: So you’re in a Baptist Bible college. You go to schools of theology some seven years. How many classes did you have on hearing God’s voice?
RICHARD: Never had one class on hearing God’s voice. There was one teacher that spoke on how there are only four passages in the Bible that talk about God speaking, and how they’re all misunderstood and misinterpreted, that anybody who says that God spoke to them needs professional help. He happened to be a psychology professor.
SID: Did you know the number one profession for suicides? I’ll leave that alone. But let me ask you this. You read a book on why speaking in tongues is not for today and what did you do about it?
RICHARD: Well I wanted a theology about what was wrong with tongues. And so that’s why I asked for the book. Went to my Baptist pastor and he gave me a book, and I devoured it over a weekend. But the problem was I looked up the passages, and I looked at what they really said, and I saw the weakness of this, you know, author’s arguments, became thoroughly convinced that tongues was for real, against my desire, just trying to be honest with what I read. And I said, Lord, if this is for real, would you give me the gift of tongues, and He did right there in my Baptist college dorm room.
SID: Okay. Now, in a Baptist seminary no less. Okay. 1996, two wonderful ministry opportunities, you’re pastoring, they cross your path. But you don’t know which is God. What do you do?
RICHARD: Well my pastor and dear friends of ours, they told me God had spoken to them, that I was supposed to stay. And I thought, well they got skin in the game. How do I know that they’ve heard God? I didn’t know how to hear God’s voice at that point in my life. And so I prayed a crazy prayer for a Baptist pastor. I said, God, either drop a granite stone out of the sky with message in it that I’m supposed stay here, no joke. That’s what I prayed.
SID: And hope it doesn’t hit you in the head.
RICHARD: I’m glad that’s not how He answered. But the second option, and you know, the crazy things we do sometimes. But I said, Lord, send someone to walk in off the street that doesn’t know me from Adam to tell me God told him I’m supposed to stay. I said, if one of those two things happen I will know that it’s you, I’ll never look back and I will stay. And sure enough, after a four-day fast, I told our church leadership that I was resigning effective one year from now, that I was going to use that year to run the ministry, but raise support. And I got a call from the receptionist. That was on Thursday. My fast ended. On Monday morning, I get a call from the receptionist. She said, “There’s a guy out here wants to speak to a pastor.” So I came out into the lobby and there was a guy with a long beard, long hair, dirty hands, missing half his teeth, old beat up pickup truck outside, and he introduced himself, told me just a little bit about his ministry, and said God had told him to come in here and speak to a pastor. I said, “Okay, how can I help you?” I figure he’s going to ask for money for his ministry or something. And he said, “The one thing I know I’m supposed to say is this, sometimes I feel like God wants us to go far away like to another country if that’s where He can use us, where in reality, God wants us to stay right where we are, and that’s where He’s going to use us to make an impact.” He started crying. Said, “I don’t know why I’m saying this, but God told me to come in here and tell this to a pastor.” Brought him back to my office. And there were two other things I had been praying about that week I had never prayed about before, and he gave me specific answers to both of prayers. He sang a little song, walked around, kissed me on my cheek and walked out the door. I was like, okay, this is the most unusual day of my life so far.
SID: Okay. But now it gets better. Eight months later, this guy, this prophet, his name is Cecil, calls you. What does he say?
RICHARD: He said, “God has given me a word for you.” Well the first time he had given me a business card, and I call him a week later, and the phone was dead. And I thought, what a strange thing. I thought maybe it was angel. Why would he give me a card and disappear? I didn’t hear from him for eight months. And then he said, “I’ve got a word for you.” He came to my office. Before he made it back to my office, there were two of our staff members laying prostrate in their office and he had spoken specific words to them. I knew it was the last day on the job because our church didn’t have stuff like that. So I invited him, you know, back into my office. And he said, “Before I tell you what God has given me to give to you, we need to go your house and pray for your wife. She’s having severe back pain.” I was like, how does he know that?
SID: How did he know that?
RICHARD: There was no way. I hadn’t told anyone. I woke up, about two o’clock that morning, my wife wincing in pain because she was pregnant and the baby was pressing on her sciatica. And so I said, “Let’s go.” We got in the car, drove to my house and he prayed for wife, turned and began to speak a word over me, and the next thing I know I was laying on the carpet in my living room.
SID: He was overcome by the Spirit. What did God do when you were overcome by the Spirit?
RICHARD: Began to see a vision right away. One short side note is exactly a week before I had a teenager in my youth group, wanted to share a vision that he had when he was slain in the Spirit, and I asked him, I said, “Can you show me slaying in the Spirit in the Bible.” He didn’t come forth with any passages. And I was thinking, okay if God was going to speak through a vision to someone, I wouldn’t put that past God. But wouldn’t he give it to me, the leader of the ministry, not one of my teenagers. He’s just a drummer in my band. Forgive me Lord for my arrogance. But here I am exactly one week later, laying on the floor having a vision. The first thing I saw was an angel at my feet. And this angel is laying a sheet over on top of me. And as the angel was laying the sheet over me, Cecil said, “There is an angel and he’s putting a mantle on [you].” How does he see what I’m seeing in this vision? And then I saw a sword falling from the sky, end over end, and as it fell, all of a sudden it hit something that I couldn’t see before. But it hit a veil and began to split the veil, and tore the veil as it came all the way to the ground. And then this little, what I would now call a cherub, I didn’t know what it was at the time, it was a small angelic being, poked his head through and said, “Come.” And I went through the veil. And next, it’s interesting because it was a lot like this was a round platform in the middle, and there was a Roman soldier’s helmet spinning over the platform. And I’m just watching it all. It was three-dimensional. It was as real as this set. And then I saw a star begin to descend from above. And the closer it got to me, the more I felt this energy like pulsing through my being to the point when it got fairly close to me, I said, that’s enough. I felt like I was going to explode. My wife had bent down to see that I was still breathing as I laid there. And I sat up, and I thought, okay, my theological God box has just been exploded.
SID: And wait until you find out. He received a mantle and we’re going to have him demonstrate that in a few minutes. We’ll be right back.
SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I wouldn’t want it any other way. I mean, once you taste the goodness of God, why would you ever want anything but that? Everything else is so far distant. You know, my guest has found on the U.S. one dollar bill some mysterious things that most people, they look at and they just ignore. Have you ever noticed the eye on the dollar bill? Have you ever noticed the pyramid on the dollar bill? Have you ever noticed a Latin phrase on the dollar bill? My guest has evidence that this is welcoming in, in code, the Antichrist. You know my guest, Tom Horn, says something began in the year 2012 that will reach its apex in 2016, and he’s going to talk about that. But tell me something I was not aware of, that the key Founding Fathers of our nation were not Christian, but were Masons.
TOM: That’s absolutely right, Sid. In fact, as many as 44 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons and they were the Freemasons really of the European order, meaning that they were committed to building an occult form of a democracy that was based on what’s called the Atlantean scheme. This was coming out of Europe. What Francis Bacon believed, he was the head of a secret society in Europe, very popular and powerful, and had wealthy people behind him, and they believed that there had been an original Atlantis, and Atlantis had been great because Atlantis had taken its orders from the gods of ancient history. And when they turned their backs on the gods, Atlantis crumbled. And so Francis Bacon’s idea was we will build a new occult democracy based on this Atlantean scheme in which we’re basically going to take our marching orders from the spirits of these invisible deities.
SID: Okay. How does this tie in with Masons?
TOM: Well Freemasons in the United States early on were receiving funding for that purpose, there were people from Europe coming over here who actually saw in the new continent the opportunity to develop a New World Order that would be under essentially the influence of these ancient spirits that political realities in Europe was not going to allow them to establish over there. So this was basically fresh pickings.
SID: Okay. But what you’re saying though is there’s something evil about Masons. I got relatives that are Masons. What are you saying?
TOM: Actually, I was a pastor for 25 years. I had Freemasons in my church on my board. So but these were 32nd degree Freemasons who were part of a fraternity and they didn’t get into any of that hocus pocus and occultism, and whatever that was going on early on. However, Sid, when you get past the 32nd degree, when you go to 33rd degree Freemasonry it becomes something entirely different.
SID: Okay. What if someone was a 33rd degree Mason, what would they know that the others don’t?
TOM: Well for instance, I had state senator tell me, ask me basically, he said, “Were you aware that at the inauguration of every United States president that in Washington, D.C. an occult ritual is held to raise the spirit of Osiris from the underworld so it can take its rightful place in every United States president? That absolutely blew me away. I thought—
SID: This is within Masons?
TOM: That’s within Masons. As a matter of fact, I went there to verify it myself. I took my wife Nita with me. But I wanted to know if that was a fact. Because if that’s true, that’s an astonishing idea that an occult ritual such as that would be held, only just a little way away, on 16th Street in Washington, D.C.
SID: Hold on. Who is the god of Masons?
TOM: Well the god of the Freemasons, according their own experts, Albert Pike Mackey, the others, they call him the Great Architect of the Universe, but they identify him as the god Osiris, as he was known to the Egyptians, and Apollo, as he was known the Greeks. In fact, when you look at the Great Seal what you see in the images are Egyptian symbols, but in the mottos, it’s prophecies about Apollo. Look at the—
SID: And again, these false deities are another name for the Antichrist. Now on the U.S. one dollar bill, we have the Great Seal.
SID: Tell me what’s on there.
TOM: What’s on the Great Seal, especially the obverse side, the reverse side of the Great Seal, it’s on every U.S. dollar, and it’s a troubling thought, isn’t it, to imagine that we carry on our person, more often than we have the Word of God on our person, we carry on our person a prophecy about the coming of the Antichrist. Now you have the symbol that is Egyptian, you have the mottos that are in Latin. The Annuit Coeptis, this is a Latin motto referring to the return of the god, Jupiter, who will in the future take his rightful re-enthronement over the cosmos and his son, Apollo, is in the Novus Ordo Seclorum. That is a prophecy from the cumean sibyl, the most powerful of all of the Apollonian priestesses gave the prophecy from which Novus Ordo Seclorum is taken, in which she predicted that the end of time Apollo will return to reign upon the earth once again at the dawn of a new golden age.
SID: Or the Antichrist. Who put that on the seal? Who put it there?
TOM: And the reason I say the Antichrist is because in more than one place in the New Testament it actually identifies the spirit by name that will seal the Antichrist. Paul says in Second Thessalonians 2:3, “He will be the son of perdition.” This is the Greek work “apolia”, Apollo, Apollyon. In Revelation 17:8, “The beast shall rise up out of the bottomless pit and enter into perdition.” Apolia, Apollyon, Apollo. In fact, in Greek literature the god Apollo was known as both Apollyon and Apollo.
SID: Who put that on the U.S. dollar? Who put it on our seal?
TOM: Well it happened over a period of time. There was a man by the name of Thomson who was commissioned by the Freemasons to design the Great Seal.
SID: No, no. Who authorized it? Who put it on there?
TOM: Well who put it on the one dollar?
TOM: This was Franklyn Roosevelt.
SID: Franklyn Roosevelt?
SID: Does science have the technology today to take the DNA of these false deities that are being prayed for within Masons to come to Earth for a utopia, who will be the Antichrist? Do they have, can they take the DNA from these false gods and put it in someone today and resurrect the Antichrist?
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to walk in the blessings of God. We’re living in very very strategic times in the destiny of planet earth. If you haven’t noticed Israel is front and center stage. Jewish people are coming to know the Messiah in record numbers. Gentile churches are having a pull if you will, a drawing if you will, to go back the Biblical roots of the faith as opposed to many of the other things that have evolved over centuries. A few weeks ago I interviewed Pastor Robert Heidler, pastor of Glory of Zion Outreach Center. We discussed his unpublished manuscript which we then made available to you called the “Messianic Church.” If you didn’t get this yet, shame on you, you are missing some important pieces of the puzzle. Then I found out about his latest unpublished manuscript and it’s called the “Cycles of God.” He has hit some bull’s eyes that very few people have ever put together. Those of you who have a Jewish heart, you don’t even know why, but there is just a drawing towards the Biblical festivals, and you have a lot of questions about it because this is not commonly taught in churches. If anything, it’s discouraged, but something is changing. It is God’s appointed time for change. So I have Pastor Robert Heidler on the telephone. Robert how did you get started in actually wanting to, within a Gentile church, fulfilling the Biblical festivals?
Robert: Well Sid it really began with a prophetic word. Chuck Pierce prophesied to me in 1997 that in that year we needed to celebrate 3 Biblical feasts.
Sid: Now did this just come out of the blue, or did you say “Chuck I’m really leaning towards doing these things?”
Robert: This was just out of the blue. I had studied some about the feasts in seminary, but I hadn’t really taken the time to look at them. I had assumed that they were something for the Old Testament, or something for Jews, but not something that Christians should pay any attention to.
Sid: Alright you got a prophetic word from someone you respected. So what did you do?
Robert: Well for the first time in my life I really I opened the word and began to study the feasts. Sid I was amazed because what I saw was a lot of the word was devoted to them, and that God had given His people a detailed yearly cycle of events. It was really a Biblical calendar. They weren’t just holidays, they weren’t just rituals, but the word calls them appointed times. They are appointments with God, set times that God said “I want to meet with My people to accomplish some specific spiritual transactions in their lives.” He promised great blessings to His people if they would do these.
Sid: Now a number of years later after you and your congregation have been celebrating these festivals, what is your spin?
Robert: Well it has been one of the greatest blessings. It’s very interesting, we’ve been do them every year now; we do it differently every time we don’t try to fall into a ritual with it. Invariably, every time we celebrate it since the previous year we’ll say “This was incredible, why haven’t we done these things before, why didn’t we know about this?” I find that almost everyone that comes into the experience of God’s cycle of blessing, the Biblical feasts, comes away saying “This is a tremendous blessing from God.”
Sid: You know what I find very interesting is the way you have taught this in your book about this… even using the word cycles and God’s purposes, the blessings, there’s cycles of God’s blessings, there’s cycles of destruction, there’s cycles of creation, there’s cycles of curses. As far as I’m concerned I want to be in the cycles of blessing. [Laughing]
Sid: But explain this, explain what you mean by cycles.
Robert: Well it was back in 1994 God began to speak to me about cycles. What was happening there was a large hurricane heading towards Florida, I don’t remember if it was Ivan or Jean, one of those. So I get up in the morning and check the news on the internet and this picture of this huge monstrous storm was filling the screen. After reading about that I switched over to an astronomy website that I check every day, has a lot of pictures from the Hubble telescope. The screen immediately filled with a picture that looked almost identical. It was this huge swirling mass, it was a spiral galaxy. God began to speak to me about the cycles that he has put into creation that there are some cycle that are cycles of destruction, but there are some cycles that are the cycles of creation that display His beauty. He said “He works in that same way in our lives.” There are cycles we can fall into, addiction, poverty, unbelief, sin and death that will just take us lower and lower and lower. But there are other cycles that He wants to link us into that will just lift us higher and higher and higher. Each time we go through that cycle we take a step closer to His goal for us. I really that the yearly cycle of feasts is part of His cycle of blessing in our life.
Sid: Obviously He can bless us without celebrating the feasts. Why do you feel He really wants us to do this?
Robert: Well He can and He does bless us. The feasts is not a legalistic, you know we won’t go to the Hell if we fail to do that. What I see is living in this world it’s almost like being on an escalator going down. The natural cycle of this world is to draw us away from God. If we don’t do anything we just tend to drift further and further away. Most people that end up far from God don’t do it because they decide I want to be far from God. It just drifts over the course of time.
Sid: Little by little, how did we drift away from God’s cycles, or God’s Biblical feasts to the point where people say “Oh you’re under the law” if you observe the Biblical feasts?
Robert: Well that’s an interesting study. Really until about the 4th century it was the normal thing for Christians to celebrate Biblical feasts. Those were the Christian feasts as well as, Jewish feasts. It was really in the 4th century when paganism came into the church that the church switched from a Biblical calendar to a Roman calendar, and began to celebrate a whole different set of feasts than the Biblical ones. I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong for a Christian to celebrate those, but if we don’t see God’s calendar, if we don’t see what God is doing I think we miss out on a lot of the blessings He has for us. His calendar is designed every year as we go through it to draw us; it’s like putting us on an escalator going upward where we’re drawing closer and closer to God.
Sid: Now you say the appointed times, which comes from Leviticus chapter 23. Are there specific transactions to take place between God and His people, explain?
Robert: Well as I studied the feasts Sid it’s very interesting… I really see if someone is plugged into that cycle and is going through that not just as a ritual or a holiday, but as a real time to meet with God. That God does some very interesting things through that in our lives. One of the areas we minister to a lot is in deliverance. One of the books I’ve published is called “Set Yourself Free.” It’s a deliverance manual that a lot of deliverance ministers around the country use. As I studied through the feasts I realized there are a lot of things in the feasts that if you really observe them will tend to keep you from the enemy’s oppression. One of the things in “Set Yourself Free” I have people take a spiritual inventory. They ask God “Lord show me any sin in my life you want me to confess.” It’s a powerful thing when someone walks through that process and comes out knowing there’s no un-confessed sin there’s nothing to hinder their walk with God. Well in the feasts that’s built into the process, that’s supposed to happen every year in the Day of Atonement.
Sid: So what you’re saying to me God says “Jewish people are supposed to observe the feasts” it’s very clear in Leviticus. Then in the New Covenant Gentiles are grafted in to the Jewish Olive tree, so there’s still the connection. What is the difference between “should observe,” and “want to observe?”
Robert: I don’t see the feasts as a legalistic thing, I don’t see it’s something that… I see it’s a blessing that God offers us to enter into. I see in the New Testament it was the norm. Paul he references the feasts over and over again in the epistles, even writing to Gentile churches he assumes he is writing to people that are celebrating the feasts.
Sid: Now when you made this transition in your church did you lose any people over it?
Robert: Oh no! Part of it is that we didn’t… you know some people when they come into the feasts they get very legalistic, they start saying “You can’t put up a Christmas tree, you can’t do this, you can’t do that.” Legalism will always turn off people and I don’t think that’s what God is saying; He’s saying “I want you to enter into a blessing.” So we’ve never preached against people celebrating Christmas or anything like that. What we found is as people begin to celebrate the Biblical feasts and see the blessing there, then those traditional holidays just become very unimportant because they’re just very shallow in comparison to the depths and the richness that God has it.
Sid: My guest, I think red hot Marilyn Hickey is an understatement for you! What is it I think they say it’s white hot. My guest is white hot for the Messiah. Now Marilyn on yesterdays broadcast we wanted our Mishpochah to find out a bit about you and one of the things that I noticed in your training God has put strategic people in your path. For instance you had the opportunity to see one of the greatest miracle ministries I’ve ever read about, I was told this man Branham when he prayed he never missed it; when he prophesied he never missed it. Was that true?
Marilyn: He would come on the platform and he would wait, and you could tell, and he waited for the angel of the Lord. You know I thought because I didn’t know that much about spirit-filled living this man is nuts. So I would sit there in unbelief my mother was real turned on she drugged me to the meeting and I can tell you the whole audience knew when that angel came. He didn’t worship angels but some way he had an angelic visitation for the words of knowledge and the words of wisdom God gave him. So he would then speak you know “There’s a man here you were in a car accident ten years ago, you broke your back.” And he would go into details and tell dates and then he would have the person stand and God would give them a new back, it’s just very unusual.
Sid: Now Marilyn I’ve read what God’s doing with you and I have to believe that some of that mantle that rested on him rests on you. But is there any one that you know of alive today that walks in that full anointing that Branham walked in? I’m curious.
Marilyn: Not that I know and you know of course I’m limited but I don’t know anyone.
Sid: Okay, A.A. Allen you had the opportunity to not only see his ministry but you and your husband did intercessory prayer at his meetings, what did you see there?
Marilyn: When we prayed we saw, I’ll tell you one thing that we saw that was very unusual. My father was put in a mental hospital and they said he would never come out and in the service of course we’re praying, my mother is there she’s crying, and he called her out and he said “The lady over there crying, take your handkerchief and put it on your husband, you think he’s demon possessed, but his mind is broken and I will heal him.” So my mother took that handkerchief to the hospital, pinned it on my father’s pajamas and the doctor said “He’ll never come out, he’ll never come out, and within one year he came out was saved and water baptized.
Sid: One more person I want you to comment on Dr. Kenneth Hagen, he was another mentor in your life.
Marilyn: Very strong, I would say probably had the greatest influence on my life of anyone. The first year we were married and my marriage lasted 58 years. The first year we went to a meeting with Kenneth Hagen in a small church here in Denver.
Sid: Excuse me, that’s because your husband was promoted to heaven, I just don’t want someone to think that it just…anything else but that, but go ahead.
Marilyn: We went to the meeting, a small group of people maybe a hundred and Kenneth Hagen taught on the authority of God’s word. And I’ll never forget what I thought and he didn’t have books out or anything going for him at that time you know to advertise but I thought if God can work that way for him, the word can work like that it can work that way for me. So really I began with supernatural ministries in the power of the Holy Spirit and the wonderful, wonderful emphasis of the authority of God’s Word. And I would say this to everyone listening don’t feel shy about using the Word. Don’t feel shy about speaking to the mountain and telling it to move, Jesus told us to. Why would He tell us to move mountains? Because there’s something on the other-side that’s so good that He has for us and I believe truly mountains have ears and your mountain has ears and speak to it and tell it to be gone in Jesus Name.
Sid: You know what you’re saying is so important, most people pray they’re praying to God in Heaven a million miles away so they’re focus is not to the mountain, their focus is kind of an abstract thing a million miles away and no wonder they get abstract answers.
Marilyn: Listen I know that the more focused you are and saying what God says the more how can I say it? The more miracles you will receive in your life so I’m going to share something that sounds kind of negative that out of it God really propelled my ministry. When I first started to be on radio I had some invitations to speak and I was scared, I’d never spoken from our pulpit not because Wally didn’t want me to it just wasn’t done. So I go to a church on the east coast, I said to the pastor “How long do you want me to speak? He said “As long as you’re anointed and when you’re not I want you to sit down and if you don’t I’ll tell you.” Well, I’m frightened already and so you can imagine those words. While I’m speaking I felt lead to pray for a man in a wheelchair and he’s sitting at the back I can only see half of him you know but I knew that he’s in a wheelchair and I said, “In the Name of Jesus get up and walk.” Now remember I’d never prayed for anyone in a wheelchair and here I am in this church not used to speaking at all, well he didn’t get up so I really shouted “In Jesus Name get up and walk, he didn’t move.” The assistant pastor one of them was standing beside him, I said, “Dave get him up and he didn’t he shook his head, I said, “Dave where’s your faith get him up.” He said “Marilyn he doesn’t have any legs.”
Sid: Oh no. (Laughing)
Marilyn: Now that was the beginning because everybody laughed you know it was quite a thing.
Sid: Well, did you crawl under a rock and never want to come out?
Marilyn: No, no!
Marilyn: God spoke to me and He’ll speak to you in these times and He said “Marilyn if you will keep believing Me there will come a day in your life people will come out of wheelchairs. So I was so encouraged by God talking to me and now today you know we have people all over the world coming out of wheelchairs because you say what God says, you say the Word. You know that He can move a mountain, He can create new limbs, he has spare parts in Heaven to put in, it is wonderful! So all of you…
Sid: Well, I’m getting an impression right now Marilyn, I want you to agree with me and I see when you said spare parts I see someone getting a brand new hip from Heaven. I want you to pray some of that outrageous prayer right now for that brand new hip from the parts room in heaven for that person that needs it right now, would you pray that?
Marilyn: Father I just thank you in the Name of Jesus all things are possible to them that believe, I thank you that a creative miracle is occurring in that hip. You’re bringing the bones in place, You’re causing unusual tissues to come forth and there’s going to be health and life and vitality and as their days are so shall their strength be and their hip strong!” And we give You the glory in Jesus Name.
Sid: Marylyn when you were talking yesterday about the importance of memorizing scripture and you said, “Even if it’s one scripture per week mediate on it. When you mediate you explained you actually memorize the Word, anyone could memorize one scripture a week. And your instructions yesterday were to say it out loud was it ten times?
Sid: But what if we were to do that every day for a week right on the air, I came up with the scripture before we went on the air, but I would like you to pick one scripture to be the first scripture everyone listening to us right now is going to mediate on and state it.
Marilyn: Alright I’m asking the Holy Spirit to show me because I want you know there’s so many I believe John 8:12 says “I am the light of the world, he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but the light of life.” I believe speaking that scripture you will walk in light all day long and I do this and it’s from Proverbs 6:22 it says “When you wake up the word will talk to you, when you walk the word will direct your steps, and when you sleep the word will keep you.” Three times a day in the morning I say that scripture and pretty soon that scripture begins to read me. In the afternoon I say it again, “He is the Light of my afternoon” and at night before I go to sleep why let your mind just go on anything because they say, the last thing you see will go through your mind 7 times while you sleep.
Sid: Wow, wait a second can you picture someone’s watched a horror film on TV and then they go to sleep, how many times does that go through their mind.
Marilyn: Oh my, and brings fear.
Marilyn: And this brings faith, this brings peace.
Sid: Okay, I need you to repeat that scripture one more time that was John 8:12.
Marilyn: John 8:12 “I am the Light of the world, he that follows me shall not walk in darkness but have the light of life.”
Sid: Okay that’s John 8:12; ten times I want you to say this scripture after we finish this show and what I’d like to do Marilyn personally is I personalize the scripture, personalize John 8:12 right now, how would you say it?
Marilyn: Father, I believe that Jesus is the light for my day, He will give light into my darkness and light is greater than darkness. I believe today that I have life; Your life because of Your light.
Sid: Woops we’re out of time right now.