Sid: We want everyone everywhere to get so excited about the Messiah. I have to tell you I am getting so excited about the Messiah. Because I’m interviewing in the studio Jeff Burke; and this is a man that knows the mercy of God. I mean Jeff you could never consider backsliding; you know what’s back there. And what’s back there is the devil and all of his demons. You know I’ve been a believer now some 30 years but before I became a believer I was involved for a short season in the New Age. And I’ll tell you I don’t understand backsliders. You got to be mashugah, that’s a Hebrew word, you got to be crazy to want to step back there with the devil. But God is using you in such amazing way. There was a time that you had experience with an angel in an indirect sense; tell me about that.
Jeff: Well I had taken a job and I was working on driving a truck for a linen company. And the man that was actually training me was a Spirit-Filled Christian which was another miracle. But as he’s training me the company said to him, he’d just been married and they said “Will you stay for a week and train him and if you do we’ll let your wife come and stay with you and you can go on your honeymoon the next week. But we’ll pay for your wife an extra room so you can stay together.” So we got a place, it was called Strick’s Motel in Vidalia, Georgia. It had an open court yard and so we’d driven up that evening and we’d eaten and I went to my room. His room was downstairs on the left him and his wife. My room was right above the steps and right below the steps was Coke machines and crackers and things. There was a construction crew staying there and I noticed when I came in, I didn’t pay too much attention, but they had kegs and they were kind of having partying and drinking.
Jeff: But I didn’t pay it much attention and so I went up to my room. When I went to my room I went in and I had just learned about God and that you could really talk to God. But the amazing thing is that God really talked back. So I came to know prayer is communication with God. That you talk to God and He talks back. And so I was really having a great good time because it was amazing so many things were happening. And so I also found out that I could do more than what I called eyebrow praying, which you know you grab your eyebrows and just squeeze them (Laughing) and don’t say anything. But then I learned that you really could talk out loud to God. So I was talking out loud to God and just sharing my heart and just probably yelling and screaming and it’s just having a good time. And I heard a “bam bam bam” on the wall and I heard kind of a muffled voice going “Would you shut up in there.” And I said “Oh, I’ve offended somebody in the other room.” And so I quieted down; I mean I didn’t stop but I quieted down. So…and then a little bit later it was getting dark and I heard under the corridor there where the crackers and cokes they came and they began to shout at my room. And they begin to curse me and they begin to mock the Lord’s prayer and they began to do those type of things. So I go up and I started for the door. And the Lord said “Where are you going?” And I said “Well, I’m going down there and to tell them I got as much right to pray as they got to party.” And so He said… the Lord said to me “I thought that you said “That you would let me handle these things for now on.” I said, “Well Lord I did, I did say that.” He said “Do you think I can handle it?” (Laughing) I said “Okay Lord I’m going to go back and pray but I got to sleep because of this new job.” So I prayed and I went on to sleep. And the next morning I took a shower, came out of the room. I opened the door and as I’m opening the door the man next to me is coming out of his room. Now he looks over and sees me coming out and he screams and just yells.
Jeff: I have no clue, and then he jumped back in and slams the door and just goes “Ahh” and he jumps back in and slams the door. And I’m going “Wonder why he did that it must have been the guy that got so offended with me about praying.” And so I’m walking towards the steps and I look up and there’s another man kind of hung over. He’s got his hand on his head and as he does he’s walking towards me and he’s walking towards me. He looks up and he sees me and he stops dead still in his tracks and goes “Ahh.” Just like the other guy and turns around and he starts running and runs back to his room and runs into his room. And I’m going “Well, this could be offensive.” (Laughing) So I turn and I walk down the steps and I walk into this open courtyard and there’s a man across the courtyard and yells at me. And say’s “Hey man I just want you to have a good day today.” I’m going, “Well thanks” and he gives; “No, no I’m really serious, I really want you to have a good day.” And I’m going well thank you very much. So we get in the truck and we start out on the route and so the man that’s training me who has his wife downstairs and he says to me. He says “Jeff, what about those guys last night?” And I said “Oh yeah, they came into my room and they were cussing me out.” And he said “What did you say to them?” And I said “Oh, I didn’t say anything to them.” He said “It’s all right you’re not going to get fired or anything.” He said “I would really like to know what you said them.” I said “I didn’t say anything, to them and he said “Really, it’ll be okay it really will.” And he said “Tell me what you said” and I said, “I didn’t say anything.” He said “Look I know that you did because I, me and my wife was looking out the window and we looked out the window we saw you come and stand right in the middle of them and talk to them.” And then the Spirit of the Lord just spoke to me and said “Son I told you I would handle this thing.” And He said “You want to know how I handled it?” I said, “Lord how?” And He said to me “What happened is I caused an angel to go down and take on your appearance and speak to them”
Sid: I’ll tell you Mishpochah Jeff sees lots of angels and I believe God is about ready to release angels to minister on behalf of those who believe in the Name of Jesus. How could you ever be afraid of anything Jeff, when God says “You can take care of it or I will.” I’ll have God take care of it any day. I want you to press into the Spirit and minister to people right now.
Jeff: As I’m sitting here the Lord had already dropped something in my spirit. And there’s a man and your name is John and I believe that you’re around the Savannah area. I believe you’re even in Pooler because I keep seeing the city limit signs of Pooler. As I’m looking down on the right side of your body, and you’re very concerned and in fact you haven’t told anyone in particular; you haven’t told your family. Your wife in particular but the Lord… I believe your wife’s name is Gladys I believe that’s the name I hear. God wants you to know that He’s going to heal you. He’s going to heal you just cry out and ask for the healing God to come. He does want to please you; He does want to minister to you and He does want to heal you. So right now in the Name of Jesus I thank you for the healing in that particular spot that I’m seeing Lord and I just ask you to bring the healing; that knot Lord. I believe the doctors would call it a hydro-seal I believe that’s what they call it. So Father in Jesus Name I thank you for the healing of God. Also around the Statesboro area the Lord. The Lord hadn’t given me your married name but I just see a maiden name Joyce Waters. And God wants to restore you back to something around ages 14 to 17 in particular. God want to minister to you; He wants to restore you. And there’s been some really hard hard stuff in your life. Particularly in the last 5 years. But God wants to bring a blessing; wants to bring a blessing back. And a praise the Lord. And that couple that’s listening in St. Simons and you’ve walked in the things of God and the power of God. And you’ve had some real disappointments and some real hurts. But God’s just going to bring the Balm of Gilead and it’s just going to pour it upon those open wounds. And you’re going to be restored and the giftings that are in you are going to come back like never before. And God’s going to open up some opportunities. So let this be a season of God just pouring back into you. Praise the Lord. And Father I want to thank You for that police officer; and African American man I believe your name is George and you do some things with narcotics. But there’s a pulling and you have someone on the force that’s really been kind of… you’re kind of amazed by some things. And God just wants you to know that He’s showing you some things that He wants to pull you into some things. Actually He’s going to answer some prayers that were prayed over you when you were about 6 years old by two Aunties. God just going to pour in; that drawing you feel really is… and this is a part of the protection for your life. And so I urge you just to look and listen to that man, a man named Elliot. So listen to him because it’ll be a blessing for you.
Sid: You know Mishpochah this is Sid Roth and I’m speaking with Jeff Burke and the way that he’s moving in the Spirit right now is the way that God wants you to move. If you draw near to God He will draw near to you.
Sid: Just before we went on the air God told me there are people listening that have pain in their back and in their neck and in their hip. And pain anywhere in their body in Yeshua’s name, if you will just move that area of your body that has pain you’ll see that the pain is gone in the marvelous, majestic name of Yeshua the pain must bow to. I have on the telephone a friend of mine that I’m really getting to know Coach Bill McCartney the founder of Promise Keepers. And God called him supernaturally away from Promise Keepers. Promise Keepers is still going on wonderfully but away from Promise Keepers to start a new organization that I believe is a catalyst to the greatest and the last move of God’s Spirit on planet earth. The subject is the One New Man. The name of the organization is “The Road to Jerusalem.” On yesterday’s broadcast coach we were talking about a peace that everyone of us wants but it’s not a natural peace it’s a supernatural peace. It’s everyone wants this peace; if you would continue teaching on that.
Coach: It’s Luke 9:23 these are Jesus’ words “Whoever would come after Me.” And He gives two prerequisites to following Him. “Whoever would come after Me must first deny himself and then take up his cross daily and follow Me.” This self-denial, this prostrating of the heart before the Lord, asking the Lord to empty you of self, of any motive that would promote self. Then the accommodation of that with taking up your cross daily and see that’s the guy that God will use; that’s the gal. In other words, genuinely humble; everybody will be attracted to that person but they’ve got to balance it with an extraordinary resolve; take up your cross daily. On the other hand, if somebody takes up his cross daily you’ll be attracted to that person. But if they don’t have the humility they will wear you out; they’ll run you into the ground. It’s that combination and that’s the one that’s selfless and fearless that will be filled with God’s Spirit that will tap into that peace that surpasses all human understanding. “The Road to Jerusalem” is a ministry called to reconcile Gentile and Jewish Believers.
Sid: Isn’t that… we have so many meetings for reconciliation of black and white and all of the other people groups. But until the foundational group is reconciled the others will not be.
Coach: That’s what people don’t understand Sid; that’s where the peace that… in other words there’s a lot of enmity, hostility in the church of believers. There’s a lot of difference of opinion, there’s a lot of strong feelings. Well the peace comes in as we go after God’s heart for Jewish believer and Gentile believer coming together. Here’s what happened to me; it was in the late ’90s Promise Keepers staff at the time had more than 350 full time members. Our budget at one time was 100 million dollars a year.
Sid: A 100 million, that’s hard to fathom that amount of money. (Laughing)
Coach: (Laughing) So God was blessing and we invited Dr. Henry Blackaby to come and speak to our staff for two days on a Monday and a Tuesday. And so when he got up on a Monday he came in from out of town. He said “Folks” he said “Last night after I had prepared my messages that I would share with you guys” he said “I asked the Lord “Is there anything that You want to say specifically to Promise Keepers that it is straight out of your heart that I can tell them.” He said “Then” he did something that he always does; he turned to the four gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and he read the red print. He read Yeshua’s words and he waits for the Holy Spirit to grab something there if God’s going to speak to him. And he said he same across a verse that he had read literally 1000’s of times. And he said that “This verse just jumped off the Bible at him.” And it was when Simon the Cyrene was handed the cross. And he said that when I came across that verse last night he said “The Lord just lit up my heart with it and He spoke to me and told me that much like Simon the Cyrene had been handed the cross, he said “Bill McCartney has been given a cross of reconciliation to carry. Now you got to understand Sid I didn’t even hardly know Dr. Blackaby. I mean I knew him to say hello to him, but I was sitting out in the audience I was surprised as anybody when he said that. But what it did was it sealed in my heart, it was one of those dots that needed to be connected to gain the divine order. For him to say that being a guy that God has used greatly from a real conservative community in the church; for him to say that it just lit up my heart. And now what you were saying earlier is that if you’re going to have reconciliation the top button on the shirt of reconciliation is Jew and Gentile. It’s the providence of God, it’s the Father heart of God; it’s what God wants to do to usher in the end days. What He wants to do is in the One New Man that Ephesians talks about, is this is where that peace comes from. It’s when you get the… in 2nd Corinthians 8:14 it says “There in is equality.” Your abundance fills my lack, my abundance fills your lack. In other words I need you, you need me. That’s the picture of the One New Man, that’s the picture in Revelation when it talks about the Church of Philadelphia it says “There’s an open door that no one can close.” The word Phileo means tender affection. See when the Jewish believer and the Gentile believer come together needing each other with true tender affection, that’s the standard that the world can’t match, that’s where the peace is ushered in. That’s where the Spirit of God comes to bear, that’s what the unbelieving Jew is going to see that will provoke him to jealousy. That’s what is in God’s heart for how He wants to go about bringing in the end-time revivals.
Sid: Your listening to a passion that is birthed by the Spirit of God. Some of you may be saying “Well Jewish people are a minority, why is this so important” because God says it. It makes no sense to the natural mind. But if you really read closely Roman’s 9, 10 and 11, especially Roman’s 11:11 that says “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy. So that the Jewish person will want what that Gentile Believer has. And when that occurs the wall of separation finally comes down between Jew and Gentile and we have an explosion of the Spirit like every one of us have been praying and asking God for… Coach, now that you have this revelation I guess you just can’t wait to tell everyone everywhere about it.
Coach: You know, we’re having an event in Palm Springs and this event on December the 3rd in Palm Springs is going to set the table for what God wants to do. We’re calling it “The Desert Shall Rejoice.”
Sid: What are you believing God to do at this event that’s going to bring Jewish and Gentile believers together to worship God as one?
Coach: Just what you were just talking about. What you were saying is that the one new man is in the word of God and the word of God cannot return void it will accomplish what God pleases and it will prosper in the thing that God is sending it for. The power in His word will always fulfill the promise in his word. Here is what it says in Mark 16:20 this is the last verse in the book of Mark. “And they went out and preached everywhere the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs.” What we’re expecting is God to confirm the word of the one new man through accompanying signs. Even as you were offering a healing word to those who’s backs, and people had different ailments, there is going to be a move of the Spirit of God, I believe, in Palm Springs on 1-2-3-4, December 3, 2004 that is going to be brought with accompanying signs.
Sid: Coach, we’re out of time thank you so much for being my guest.
Sid: I have as a guest Dr. Howard Morgan a Jewish believer that is red hot for the Messiah. I’m speaking to him at his home in Atlanta, Georgia. We’re highlighting his book “Leaves from the Olive Tree.” It’s based on kingdom perspectives versus humanistic religious perspectives. We’ve been talking about the church started out with great glory, the least Christian, the least Messianic Jew could lay hands on the sick and people would recover. Everything in the Bible we read today took place then. God doesn’t change, one guess who did the changing. Somehow little by little we’ve deviated from the pattern. On yesterday’s broadcast I wanted you to ponder the question I raised, the job of the Jewish believer was to be a light to the nations, and that’s why the Messiah started with the Jew. So the Jewish people could take the word of God to the nations, to the Gentiles. We Jews are called to proselytize all Gentiles to be worshippers of God. However, the job of the Gentile believer is to provoke Jewish people to jealousy, that’s Romans 11:11. What is going to provoke a Jewish believer to jealousy? Is it a congregation that has a Greco-Roman culture, or a congregation that has a Biblical, not rabbinic big difference, a Biblical Judaic culture? Is it a church that has a Passover service like none the world has ever seen where curses are literally broken and the lame walk out of wheelchairs and the blind see and the deaf hear? Is the pastor is talking about the miracles and the exodus, or one that has Easter eggs and bunnies? Which will fulfill your God called destiny better? I want to get into some really amazing things from our Biblical Hebraic roots that most Christians have never even speculated. When I get together with a Jewish believer like Howie Morgan, or many of my other friends we argue. Some of my Gentile Christian friends say to me “Why are you arguing so much?” I said “I don’t know it’s Jewish.” Then of course I read in Howie’s new book about the Beit Midrash. Explain to me what the Beit Midrash is Dr. Howie Morgan.
Dr. Morgan: The Beit Midrash means house of study or investigation. Every synagogue around the world and down through history had a room that in which all the books the commentaries were. The difference we were talking about in previous shows about the church and the Greco-Roman mindset in most churches you’ll hear the pastor give a lecture sermon message. You go home you never have an opportunity to question or dialogue.
Sid: Now if you do question, and actually question as if what he said is wrong what happens to you under the Greco-Roman system, and what would happen under the Hebraic system?
Dr. Morgan: Well in the Greco-Roman system you could get executed.
Dr. Morgan: You do not! You do not confront the emperor! You know you lose your life. So we find people get marked as rebels, we get marked as heretic people in the church down through the century. We talked earlier about the murder, the persecution of those who disagreed with the Caesar mentality in the Christian religion, but in the Jewish world you were encouraged, inspired to argue. We see Jesus arguing with the Pharisees, and the Sadducees, and the scribes and they argue with Him. You know when you read it from our Greco-Roman mindset you think “Oh here’s sweet gentle Jesus and all these bad Pharisees arguing with Him.” Jesus grew up in the synagogue, and in the synagogue there was the Beit Midrash He grew up arguing the scriptures. You know we see Jesus when He was 12. What was He doing? He was arguing the scriptures with the doctors of the law. He was disputing with them and saying “What do you think, and what do you think?” We’ve not been iron sharpening iron. So in the synagogue after the rabbi would speak He would come and they would sit in the Beit Midrash and if they were hungry they would have a sandwich or something to drink. For the next several hours they would open the scriptures together and the commentaries and He would encourage the dispute. He would encourage the argument because iron was sharpening iron. He would be making His talmudim, his disciples, dig into the scriptures and dig into the Hebrew…
Sid: Where did we get the whole idea that you have to someone who’s gone to seminary to teach us?
Dr. Morgan: It’s again how the institution trains its people and then empowers them by giving the ordination papers. In the kingdom the ordination comes from heaven via the anointing, not from an institutional sanction that says “You’ve jumped through our hoops now we’ve indoctrinated you, and then you can be part of our organization and we’ll pay you and give you a pension.” In the kingdom people just get anointings by the Holy Spirit and they begin to function in the Spirit. You know the disciples people challenged them and said “Where did you go to school you’re ignorant unlearned men?” Their answer was “We have been with Jesus.” That’s where the power comes from being with Jesus and not being…stuck in our heads. Again it’s that whole intellectual rationalization of the scripture rather than letting the Holy Spirit reveal Christ to you, and reveal Christ through you. So when do we have… you mentioned in another show about the good church. Well you know here’s the good church, but when does the pastor then say “Okay I’ve preached for an hour to you,” and you know they’ve only heard 10%. Psychological tests prove that people only retain 10% of what they hear. Now let’s go and see what you actually heard today. I’d love to see pastors give their people a test on say Tuesday afternoon and not a multiple choice test, but a real essay test and say “What did pastor preach about on Sunday?” Make them put it in an essay, I’d think pastors would be shocked by how little they actually got in their preaching. It’s a very poor way of teaching. The best way is to demonstrate it, it’s to model it. So what did the rabbi do with his students, why? Because his heart was to raise up disciples not just have church goers, but to really have equipped disciples after the preaching he’d bring those who wanted to with their children and they’d sit around a big table they’d have a gnosh, they’d have some pastrami or whatever, and sit and talk. The rabbi would question and they would question “Well what did you mean by that, and why did you say that?” The hours would just disappear that’s why you need some food, and we encourage people in that chapter in my book they can have a Beit Midrash in their home.
Sid: Yes, but what if they’ve only been a believer only a year?
Dr. Morgan: So what, they’ll start right there. How exciting is that to have your Bible be a believer for one year and have your Bible and then teach people. Maybe you’ve only been a believer 3 months.
Sid: Listen Howie, normally you have to pay your price.
Dr. Morgan: Yeah.
Sid: Earn your stripes.
Dr. Morgan: Hmm. Hmm.
Sid: Before you can be even considered to teach in Sunday school. Yet I can tell you I’ve travelled the world as you do to, and someone that has been a believer for 3 – 4 years in the average church, a good church, could go out and be an apostle in a foreign country. Be so used by God, and walk in the miraculous and plant a hundred churches.
Dr. Morgan: Yes exactly…
Sid: Instead of sitting year after year saying “I’m not being fed I think I’m going to find another church!”
Dr. Morgan: Yeah, and that’s another lie “I’m not being fed.” Well if you’re 3 years old in the Lord, 4 years old don’t you think it’s time you fed yourself?
Dr. Morgan: It’s as if we have a teenager who can’t feed himself, or an 8 year old. You know, you and I we raised children as many of our listeners have, you teach your children to feed themselves.
Sid: Let me ask you about this, the mentality the pastors job is to teach our children, is to teach us, is to feed us… that’s the Greco-Roman way, what’s the Biblical Jewish way?
Dr. Morgan: His role is to equip you, and disciple you, and train you to feed yourself. Then you can go and feed others so you can open your home as a new believer. Remember when you and I first got saved we were just telling everybody about Jesus. Thank God…
Sid: Listen, I was involved in starting one of the first Messianic congregations in the United States, a few of us. We knew nothing, I was a year old in the Lord and we saw a move of God’s Spirit… I didn’t know anything. I’m telling you and Jewish people were coming in and it was so exciting. You know why? I was so excited about the Lord, and I didn’t know I couldn’t do anything. If I read it in the Bible it was true.
Dr. Morgan: Right.
Sid: I had to get educated to find out “Well we don’t do this today.”
Dr. Morgan: Right, right. So what happened Sid exactly what we were talking about in previous shows, you were moving in the revelation of the Holy Spirit, the Living Water was flowing out of you and that is what the Kingdom of God is all about. It’s about creating an environment where the Living Water can flow, and then let’s let God teach us rather than being so concerned “Oh if they teach a Bible study they won’t teach doctrine correctly.” I want to have a place where the Holy Spirit is free He’ll sort out the doctrines because if your doctrine is “Jesus come manifest yourself, teach us to love” that’s the best doctrine in the world according to 1st Corinthians…
Sid: Alright what about the concept the one man, for lack of better words, the one man show. Where did it come from?
Dr. Morgan: It’s that same, the institution, the power, and the politics of one man who…
Sid: Who gives a message every week and once in 2 or 3 months he’ll bring in an outside speaker in, but pretty much he must speak.
Dr. Morgan: Right. So my question to people like that “Are you insecure? Are you territorial? Are you raising up disciples? How are you raising up disciples? Do they every get a chance to preach? Do you take them on the streets preaching? Do you give them an opportunity to preach every night of the week in some environment, somewhere, maybe they won’t preach in the pulpit on Sunday maybe that’s a place you will use, but what are you doing the rest of the time? Are you bringing them up? Are you afraid that someone’s going to think “Oh he’s more anointed than I am, then this guy is going to go off and start a church.” Oh what a terrible thing another church will start. Some more sinners might get saved. I’ve had pastors say to me “Oh we won’t allow somebody to start a church within 2 or 3 miles of our building.” I said…
Sid: Oh look worse than that they’re signing non-compete clauses where for 5 years they can’t start another church. Oi Vey! I tell you we have to go back to our Jewish roots. We’re out of time.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah another Jewish woman that is red hot for Jesus her name if Sandy Teplinsky. She has a legal background; I’m speaking to her at her home in Anaheim, California. She’s had just come out with a masterful book; it’s simplistic; it’s accurate; it’s historical; it’s spiritual. And it will get you on the right side of the fence on the dividing line of the world in the last days between the counterfeit church and the real church. The title of the book “Why Care About Israel?” Now Sandy, there are many many Christians that read the New Testament; never look at the Old Testament; read the New Testament through filtered glasses not from a Hebraic understanding or even a literal understanding and come up with a conclusion that God is finished with Israel and all the blessings promised to Israel really go to the Church. And all the curses really go to Israel; they call this replacement theology. Tell me some of the things that you point out in your book about replacement theology.
Sandra: You know Sid I’m amazed that wherever I go people still ask me about replacement theology an issue that we’ve been addressing for decades in the church. Replacement theology was even addressed by Paul, Apostle Paul in Romans 9 through 11. And you know it is so strategic by the spirit that he addresses Israel’s role, visa-vie the church, and affirms God’s continuing covenant with Israel, visa-vie the church, in Roman’s 9 to 11 because those chapters of scripture are couched in the context of God’s love; His everlasting love and the resulting call to sacrificial services on account of His everlasting love. And to be honest with you that’s my heartbeat. I wrote this book out a deep desire to see my Christian brothers and sisters to come into dimensions of God’s love that they can only experience when they comprehend His heart for Israel. And I believe that was the passion of Paul. Now as we know when Paul wrote the letter to the Romans there weren’t any chapter breaks. Chapter 8 flowed right into chapter 9. Chapter 8 talks about God’s love that nothing could thwart His love from Heaven flowing to the sold out believer. And that nothing can separate us from that love. Immediately after that He reminds the church in Rome that God has not forsaken His people Israel. And He talks about how the Christian or Gentile Church is called to treat Israel and He maintains that distinction. If the church had replaced Israel there would be no reason for Him to say for example in Roman’s 11:25 “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery so that you may not be conceited that Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.” Then He goes on to more about Israel. And isn’t it amazing Sid that the very thing that the Apostle warns us by inspiration of Holy Spirit not to be ignorant about is the very thing that to this day much of the church is ignorant of adhering to this doctrine of replacement theology. And if we continue on in Paul’s treatise in Romans 9-11 of God’s heart for Israel he concludes that. He concludes Romans 11 by talking of the depth and riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God Almighty. And attributes glory to God for ever and ever and the cosmos will shout forever for God’s glory as He restores Jew and Gentile together in the faith of one new humanity. And then right after that in chapter 12; and again remember there weren’t chapters this was just one letter to the Roman church. Because of this Paul uses the word “Therefore” and of course when we see the word therefore, we need to ask why is it there for?
Sid: My friend Dr. Derek Prince he always used to say that.
Sandra: Yeah. He did and he’s watching it from the other end and cheering us on I’m sure.
Sid: And boy did he have a Jewish heart.
Sandra: He sure did. Therefore Paul writes he says “In view of God’s mercy” and what he’s means “In view of God’s mercy towards the Gentles.” The Gentiles are to offer their bodies as living sacrifices holy and pleasing to God as their spiritual act of worship. Now there is another application to that scripture; but I’m just talking about its fundamental literal application. Its fundamental literal application is a call to the Gentile Church to consider that in all of what the Jewish people; in view of what all the Jewish people have done even being hardened in part so that the Gentles can come into the fullness of salvation. In view of all that the Christian Church will be called to offer their bodies as living sacrifices, reasonable worship. Not even extraordinary worship but reasonable worship. Now what will that look like? Increasingly Sid I think that will look like laying our lives down for the Lord Jesus Christ and for His people. For Corrie Ten Boon’s family loving the Jews and blessing the sons Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not mean material prosperity; it didn’t mean they built a mega-church. It didn’t mean a TV Show. It meant that they all except for Corrie lost their lives in a concentration camp because they blessed Israel and they opened their homes to Jews during Holocaust who had no place to hide. Now did they know what they were getting into when they did this? Indeed they did. Corrie’s father had said from the start that “Losing their lives for the Jews would be the greatest honor that could come to my family.” And that is what ultimately what I believe the church will be called upon to do. Now that’s not any different than what the Jewish people have been doing in a sense. We have been the world’s scapegoat for a Millennia. We have acted and again we just don’t have time to get into it but I go into in much more detail in my book. As intercessory priests as a nation of priests;. Of course the church is a kingdom of priests but Israel remains a nation of priests mediating between heaven and earth taking blow after blow century after century from the devil serving God’s purpose. Meanwhile believers from the nations are coming into fullness of salvation; but we have laid our lives down for the sake of God’s purposes in a sense from Millennia. And so too reciprocally will Gentile Christians be called to do the same. But the sacrifice will be divinely surprising because…
Sid: How would Ruth tie in with what you’re saying right now?
Sandra: Well Ruth shines as an example of one who laid her life down; left her comfortable; left her foreign gods; left her community of faith. Identified with the people of Israel; became inextricably intertwined in love relationship with a Jewish woman Naomi. Ruth is a non-Jewish woman joined herself with the commonwealth of Israel and through that relationship of Ruth and Naomi, Obed was birthed as Naomi introduced Ruth to Boaz her near kinsman redeemer. Boaz…
Sid: But look at the blessing that Ruth would have lost if she would have just gone back to her own people rather than teaming up with a Jew.
Sandra: Ruth and Naomi together prepared the way for the first coming of the Messiah. And a Ruth company and a Naomi company of believers, Jews and Gentiles, will together help prepare the way for the Messiah’s second coming.
Sid: Your listening to Sandy Teplinsky and I’m interviewing her on her latest book “Why Care About Israel?” A close personal friend of mine Dr. Michael Brown wrote the forward of the book and let me read this to you. “As one who carried a strong burden for the salvation of the Jewish people for more than 3 decades I can tell you that my own heart was broken afresh as I read.” Sandy, how did you even deal with these facts of the history of the “Christian Church” being so anti-Jewish that you write about in your book?
Sandra: Well, as you know mostly I quote Christians describing their own history. Because I would rather that my readers most of whom are not Jewish hear these facts and hear these confessions from non-Jewish believers, but it’s very hard. You know my own personal relationship with the Lord is what my journey through these very tough issues is what really been the impetus for birthing the book. And I also hold the future before my eyes Sid and even though there is sacrifice on all of our parts involved. And even as we spoke a moment ago Gentle Christian’s will be called upon to sacrifice for Israel God is in it. Gentles blessing Israel releases the blessing of Israel. And ultimately, the blessing of Israel is more of the Blesser Himself. What is it that the church is crying out for worldwide. “More of God; more of Holy Spirit; More of Jesus.” Bless Israel and you will get more of God the Blesser Himself.
Sid: We’re out of time.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah but the truth of the matter is there are many of you that want to be red hot for the Messiah but these little foxes that are getting in your way. And I know the name of the major obstacle that is getting in your way from getting you healed. From having intimacy with God; from not being judged and it’s a subject called “The Fear of the Lord.” And that’s why I have on the telephone the pastor of Canton Christian Fellowship in Canton, Ohio Pastor Michael Cameneti. He’s just written a brand new book and the title is “The Missing Ingredient to Success.” Explain to us what the fear of the Lord is Michael.
Michael: Well, the fear of the Lord is of course the Bible gives us some definitions; so I’ll tell you one. In Proverbs chapter 8 verse 13 the Bible says “The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; pride, arrogancy; the evil way, the forward mouth do I hate.” So we can say it this way the fear of the Lord is dislike or disapprove of whatever God dislikes or whatever God disapproves of. And so we could go through scripture after scripture the Bible talks about “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; the beginning of knowledge.” But I found a definition Sid because the subject of the fear of the Lord or the fear of God is even found in the New Testament. So it’s not an Old Testament thing; so I was looking the in Vines Expository dictionary of Old Testament words. And where is what the Bible says about the fear of the Lord. I think that this is a definition that will help people. “The fear of the Lord is not a mere fear of His power and of His righteous retribution but it is a wholesome dread of displeasing Him.” Sid if I could say anything to the people that are listening to the program; if you want to fear God. If you want to understand what the fear of the Lord is it’s simply having a wholesome dread within all of us that I don’t want to displease God. So at that I’m going to do everything I can within my spiritual ability to serve the Lord and to please Him in everything that I do. That is what the fear of the Lord is.
Sid: Your book was written to get this ingrained into our heart. How can we when we know better yet we keep gossiping; we keep doing things that the world is doing, and we know better but it just keeps going on. How do we stop it?
Michael: Well, I believe the only way to stop it; I mean I think we can probably say there’s 15 ways. But I think the one thing Ecclesiastes chapter 12:13 says “The conclusion of the whole matter.” I mean after the book of Proverbs is written Solomon writes Ecclesiastes and he says “The conclusion of the whole matter is you must fear God.” And I don’t think Christians really understand what the fear of the Lord is nor how to do it. Really what the fear is if you break it down into a Christian’s life is it’s referencing God all day. So in other words if I’m at work because people that are listening to this today I’m sure they deal with this at work. I worked in the world before I became a pastor so I understand this people telling dirty jokes; people cussing and doing things that I don’t really want to be associated with that but how so you get out of that. I mean hear they are telling you a dirty joke and you can’t stop them. So what you have to do as a Christian is you have to have a monitor in your life. Proverb’s talks about guarding your heart. It even talks about it in the New Testament about guarding your heart or guarding your mind. What you have to do is you have to put a guard on it. And how you do that is with the Bible with the Word of God. I think most Christians forget about the fact that the Bible says to renew your mind to the word. And the more that we get into the word I don’t have to be a Bible quoter and tote my Bible to work every day to have the word on my mind and to have the word up in my heart. And I don’t have to quote it to other people. I can just be thinking about it and quoting it my own heart. This will keep us in the fear of the Lord.
Sid: You talk in your book about practicing the presence of God; of being… explain that a little bit.
Michael: Well, practicing the presence of God I believe I got the privilege in my personal life to be around some great men and woman of God. You know Brother Hagin was one of them and we talked about his prophecy this week. I got to be around some other men and woman that are even still alive today I liked watching what they do in their life. And what I’ve noticed what they do is they always are acknowledging God. In other words if you’re sitting down and talking to them every so often they’ll say “Praise the Lord.” They’re acknowledging God in them. As a believer we’re spirit, soul and body. We have God living in the inside of us according to the Word. He comes by the Holy Spirit and He dwells inside of us. So how I practice the presence of God is I begin to always everywhere I go everything that I do I think about God. I think about His presence; I reference Him. And so what happens in doing that is I carry the presence of God. I’m sure that you’ve heard of Smith Wigglesworth.
Sid: Of course.
Michael: I’m sure people have told stories about him. And Smith Wigglesworth was riding on a train and they have different stories I have heard different things about him. But one of the things that I read about him that was written by his son-in-law so I think it’s pretty accurate. Is that a man come up to him and fell to his knees and Smith was not… he was on a train and he was not preaching and the man began to confess that he was a sinner. And he said that the presence of God on this man convicted him so much that it made him you know fall on his knees and want to repent to God. Well maybe not everything’s going to happen in that sense, and I don’t want every person to think that. But I believe one of our challenges is keeping our thoughts fixed on God. And the Bible talks about this in Colossian’s chapter 3. That we’re to think on things above; that we’re to put out minds on Him. Roman’s chapter 12 talks about renewing our mind and keeping our mind on Him. I believe one of the ways that we reference God is that we have to clean our thought life up. And I heard a minister minister one time and called it stinking thinking. And a lot of times you know we’re doing the Christian thing and we’re going to church and maybe we’re saying “Praise the Lord” when we need to and maybe even worshiping God in the church service. But our thought life Sid this is where most of us either rise up and be the Christian that God wants us to be or we fall. It’s because of what is going on in our mind. And I believe if you just learn how to keep the word; I started practicing this years ago working in a secular job. Where I would bring a scripture or two on a card to work and I’d look at them every so often and I’d memorize those scriptures and I’d think about them all day and it kept me in the presence of God referencing God and practicing His presence wherever I was at.
Sid: Let me ask you a question, we were talking earlier about the biggy “The fear of the Lord.” What happens when we do not reference the Lord; when we do not fear God?
Michael: When we don’t fear God and I have this in a chapter in the book. And what happens is according to the word. I mean I went into scripture after scripture where it talks about dishonesty. Where that becomes something; you know negative results of not fearing the Lord is we could be dishonest without even thinking about it. We live in a life of flattery which I have a couple pages on that where flattery begins where you know it’s perverted praise. It’s where you’re saying things that are not true and it’s prevalent in the society today. We get desensitized to sin.
Sid: Now that’s a biggy, because once you’re desensitized to sin you can’t repent. And if you can’t repent you’re in big trouble.
Michael: Well, that’s where we have to believe the Lord. I believe that someone especially who’s a Christian Sid this book… not that we’re… I want to see everyone that we can be brought to the Lord that doesn’t know Him. But to a believer and I minister mainly to believers; we have to watch out. I don’t think people know this and I don’t think that they’ve ever equated it in the world of God. But there’s a guy by the name of Lot in the Bible and we can read about him in 2nd Peter chapter 1. And Lot the bible basically says that Lot was warned down because of what he saw and what he heard. And I think that we as believer’s we have to monitor what we see and what we hear. Because we live in a society where we’re seeing things all the time on our TV and we’re hearing things all the time in what we listen through radio or whatever it might be. If we don’t watch and we don’t monitor those areas they will cause us to not have that conviction about sin that we once had. And so in the book we talk about that and in the book we talk about how our prayer are not going to be answered when we don’t fear God. In the Bible there are some scriptures about that unanswered prayer happens when we don’t fear the Lord. So many different things happen. I mean people can either lose their healing or not be healed because they’re not living right. They’re not living the way that the Lord wants them. Now He’s not talking; God is never telling us to be perfect because if we’re going to be perfect then we’re going to be exactly like Jesus was. He came so we could be like Him; he paid the penalty for sin but He knew that we were going to have areas in our life where we missed it. That’s why the blood of Jesus is so important. So a believer needs to understand that if I don’t fear God sin is going to be an issue in my life. And Sid I can honestly tell you this I’ve watched believers over the years I’ve been pastoring now this church for 16 years. I have seen Christian’s who love the Lord and are on fire and 5 years later in their life with God they’re now back into the same sin that they were in before they were saved and even worse.
Sid: Now we have people listening to us right now and they’re saying “That is me.” If they read your book and if they do what your book teaches will they get that fire back?
Michael: I believe they will Sid. And one of the reasons and we haven’t talked a whole lot about this but we have a chapter in our book about it. If you start to recognize that this life is more than just living on this earth. It’s more than just I got born on the earth; I go to school, I go to college. I get married I have kids; it’s more than that. We’re here for a purpose and it’s divine and it’s a purpose that’s God. And if we can understand that and we can understand that we begin to fear God and understand this that the judgment is for the believer. There’s a great white throne judgment that’s for the unbeliever. But I’m going to stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Sid: And we don’t hear much about that; what we hear is “Our sins are forgiven and that we’re going to Heaven.” But what we don’t hear is the judgment seat of Messiah.
Michael: We don’t and there’s a parable that Jesus talks about and it’s not about the judgment seat of Christ per say but it’s about a great suppers. It’s in the Bible and I don’t believe that it’s dealing with the marriage supper of the Lamb because at the end of the parable he says go out and bring in the lame, the maim, the blind. We don’t have those in Heaven I believer that it’s a parable about earth. And if you remember the parable it’s in Luke’s Gospel Sid there are reasons why people couldn’t come to the supper. The supper is the representation of the Bible; it’s a representation of the Word. Well, most of us find that at church; we also can find that home, we can listen to programs like this. We can listen to tapes and all that is wonderful but nothing replaces you getting into church.
Sid: Listen Michael I think that many of us need a jolt.