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Our Guest Patricia Bootsma

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PAT: And we’re not allowing her to get married till she’s 45 or 50! But anyway. [Laughs] But talk to us for just a second longer before we go to a break that what birthed this book inside of you? What birthed writing about raising burning hearts? Where did that come from?

PATRICIA: Well I have to say honestly it was the Word of the Lord to me. It’s just like He said I want you to write this book. And I’m like I’m still in the process of raising kids! But you know God has really blessed us! The three oldest who are all in ministry. Our son Judah is right now working underneath Lou Engle and his Ecumenical School of Missions.

PAT: Oh!

PATRICIA: Our daughter is at IHOP, International House of Prayer with her husband on staff there. Another daughter is on staff at a House of Prayer in Quebec in Canada. And so what we’ve seen is that they themselves have carried these values of really loving God and so it’s on the heart of the Father that we go back to family, as God designed it! I think you can agree with me.

PAT: Beautiful, yeah!

PATRICIA: That the breakdown of family, is one of the largest contributors to society’s breakdown! And so if we can go back to hey, let’s see the hearts of the fathers turn to the children and see the hearts of the children turn to the fathers! Let’s see the healing that God wants to do right there in the family! Let’s prioritize that! So that’s really what it was birthed out of and certainly birthed out of the heart of our heavenly Father!

PAT: Well you’re watching Something More! [Music] And we’ve got Patricia Bootsma here with us and we’re really excited! Hang on! When she comes back she’s going to tell us how to awaken God in your home!

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PAT: Hey welcome back to Something More! We have Patricia Bootsma here! And she and her husband are pastors there in Toronto at Catch the Fire! God is using them! They’ve raised, I mean six children. Some are still being raised.

PATRICIA: Yes.

PAT: But just mighty warriors for the kingdom! And you know I think that the Lord is using you even on this program because before we go even deeper into it I want to talk about the revelatory gift.

PATRICIA: Yeah.

PAT: How to teach your kids how to hear the voice of God. But talk to the single mom that’s watching out there because – or the single dad that’s out there and, you know, that are walking through tough times in their home. You know the school is sending them reports. Your kid’s got ADD, ADHD. They’ve got all this. I used to say I’ve had ABCDEFG! 

PATRICIA: Hah!

PAT: And talk to the single parent that’s watching right now! I really think the Lord is going to use you right now to speak to that parent that’s just done!

PATRICIA: Yeah, absolutely! You know I’d say first of all there is always hope! That in God there is always hope! And so we have the Father who Isaiah 54 talks about as her husband can come along and help. And I really think it’s important that we as a church to come alongside the single moms in our church. We’re trying to do that. Even pair godly men. I remember this man in our church when I was really getting a lot of healing about father wounds.

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January 25th, 2021 at 4:51 am

Our Guest Bruce Van Natta

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Kyle Winkler: Welcome to Something More! I’m Kyle Winkler! My guest today lives one of the most miraculous lives of just about anybody that I know! I mean from encounter to encounter to encounter to the point of him being saved from death! We’ll touch on that in just a little bit. But through it all he has developed an intimacy to talk and hear from God and he’s here today to share with you how you can hear from God yourself right now! So if you’re interested in that then perk your ears up and help me welcome Bruce Van Natta! Bruce, thank you so much for joining me!

Bruce Van Natta: Thanks for having me, Kyle!

KYLE: You’ve got quite the story and as I was even preparing for this interview I mean it is a faith building story!

BRUCE: Yes.

KYLE: From prodigal to full-time ministry. And at the end of that, November 16th, 2006 you’ve moved on from all kinds of experiences and God really getting your attention through a bunch of things.

BRUCE: Yeah, absolutely.

KYLE: But this one experience really changed everything for you! Tell us about that. 

BRUCE: It was a tipping point! Yeah. So as you mentioned 2006 I was a mechanic. I was working on a large Peterbilt logging truck and this semi-truck ended up falling on top of me. I got crushed in half. I ended up one inch thick in here. Two inches thick here. Flat! Five places major arteries severed. Small intestine, spleen, pancreas. Everything in the middle completely crushed! Ended up – 

KYLE: So you have a truck on top of you at that point.

BRUCE: Yeah. A semi-truck fell on top of me. Crushed me into the cement. And I ended up bleeding out at the scene of the accident. The volunteer fire department came and a Christian lady came and prayed me back to life three times at the scene of the accident! I had an out-of-body experience. I got to see the two angels that God sent.

KYLE: You saw two angels. 

BRUCE: Two angels. Yes.

KYLE: God sent to bring you back to life?

BRUCE: To minister to my body.

KYLE: To minister to your body.

BRUCE: The lady prayed me back to life. Three times. God spoke to me in it all. So it was very – I spent the next year in the hospital. So it was a very huge, huge supernatural event! And it was life-changing. I had been called to ministry and had been disobedient. And it was a tipping point to get me into ministry.

KYLE: I know you had mentioned before that you were a prodigal to full-time ministry.

BRUCE: Yeah.

KYLE: So God had been as we said trying to get your attention. I mean what more attention-getting can you get than angels ministering to you?

BRUCE: Yeah.

KYLE: And I know we could talk the whole segment on just that.

BRUCE: Absolutely. 

KYLE: But you’ll be doing an interview with Sid on that where people can find more about your story there. But with an encounter like you had or encounters, many miraculous things over your life one would expect that you would develop an intimacy with God from things like that and you have. You hear and you talk to God and you would say that prayer is key to having an intimate relationship with God. Right?

BRUCE: Absolutely! It’s that communication. That back and forth.

KYLE: And we know that the Bible talks so much about prayer but a couple of things that it says that I think sometimes people wonder how do we do this is it says that we should pray without ceasing.

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January 11th, 2021 at 4:03 am

Our Guest John Bevere

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SID: I am going to take this wonderful opportunity to ask a couple of questions to John Bevere that I’ve really wanted to hear from him the answers. John, you said something when I interviewed you on television. You said there was a season in your life where you were praying in the Holy Spirit two hours every day. But then you made a switch and tell me what the switch was and the results that happened.

JOHN: The switch was, I kept— if I’m, if I’m remembering, I’m going back to our radio interview. I was praying everyday “God use me.” Use me to win multitudes to Jesus, use me to cast out demons, use me to heal the sick people, use me to restore people’s lives, restore marriages. And I was praying this way for years. And one day the Holy Spirit spoke to me and He said, “Your prayers are off.” And I said, “What!” He said, “Your prayer are off target.” And I said I’m asking you to use me win multitudes to Jesus, to heal people, to heal marriages, to heal bodies. How can they be off? And He said this to me, He said, “Judas cast our devils, Judas healed the sick, Judas preached repentance, Judas led people to me,” because when He sent the 12 out He sent the 12 out. He said, “Judas left everything he had to follow me.” He said, “Judas is in hell.”

SID: Uh!!

JOHN: When He said that to me, I literally started trembling inside. I said, ‘then what should I be praying?” And then He said to me, “What Paul prayed: that I might know Him.” And so those who know their God will be strong and do exploits. So He said, “You can use me.” He said, “I don’t use people. I transform them into the image of My son.”

AUDIENCE: Mmmm, huh!

JOHN: I mean can you just see me coming into my— or my wife coming in to me and saying, “John, use me to make babies for you! (pleading) I want to make babies, Ohhh— I want to make babies. Give me babies or I’m going to die!

SID: Ha!

AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)

JOHN: Okay, so what would I look at my wife and say? Oh my gosh, who did I marry! Okay? (Sid and audience laugh) But we’re intimate and out of our intimacy came four really great boys. And He said, “I want you intimate with me.” So my whole prayer started changing. “God, I want to know You intimately. I want to know You intimately. I want to know You like You know me.” Well you know what’s interesting? This was back in 1984-85. And in this time period when I started changing my prayer, I started getting free. I was bound to pornography and here I was in the ministry.

And I asked Lester Sumrall to pray for me. I opened up to him, I said, “I’m bound, will you pray for me?” He prayed a very strong prayer and nothing happened. Nine months later I’m on a four day fast, and May the 6st, 1985 I get completely delivered from pornography. Okay? So I’m walking in my freedom a couple a years and I said to God, I said, “I don’t get it.” I mean I humbled myself. I asked one of the strongest men of God I know on the planet to get me delivered, and I don’t get delivered. And then nine months later I’m on this fast and I get delivered.

And the Lord showed me that what I was praying, I was praying that “God use me, God use me” and I was afraid that pornography was going to keep me to the preaching ministry I know I was called to. He said, “But then you changed your prayers and you said I want to know you, I want to know you intimately. And He said, “You had sorrow, but your sorrow was worldly when you opened up with Dr. Sumrall.” He said, ‘nine months later your sorrow was godly because your heart was breaking because you knew your sin was breaking My heart.” So if you look at the difference you can see it in two kings. Saul says, “I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned.”

But he’s embarrassed, so he says ‘now honor me by worshipping with me in front of my elders.” You’ve embarrassed me in front of my elders. David, when he gets nailed, falls on his face and said “I have sinned and against You only I have sinned.” He couldn’t care less what his elders thought. So that’s the difference between worldly sorrow and godly sorrow. Godly sorrow the focus is on Him, worldly sorrow the focus is on what’s going to happen to me. And when we pray that we can know Him intimately, that we can please Him the best a man or woman can please Him, now it’s all about this relationship over everything else and that’s what pleases the heart of God. See Psalm 89, verse 7 says: “God is to be greatly feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be held in reverence by all those who surround him.”

So you’ll never find the presence God in an atmosphere where He’s not held in the utmost of respect. I remember when I learned this experientially. Back in 1996, I was asked to speak in Brazil, the nation of Brazil. There were thousands of people at this conference, it was a national conference. I’m the Friday night speaker. They drive me to the auditorium. There’s cars parked everywhere. And as I come into the auditorium I can hear the worship coming from the inside of the building. Because in their big auditoriums down there, if they have a ceiling on it, there’s like a six foot gap between the upper wall and the ceiling, and it’s for air ventilation but you can hear what’s going on inside. So they walk me in, they put me on the platform. There’s not a seat open anywhere.

Thousands of Brazilians, right? So there’s no presence of God. There’s no presence of God in the whole auditorium. Now when I say this Sid, as we know there are 2 types of the presence of God. There is the “omnipresence” of God. That is where David said “where can I go from your presence? If I go to the highest mountain you’re there, if I make my bed in the lowest valley you’re there.” That’s the presence of God that says “I’ll never leave you nor forsake you.” That’s the omnipresence of God. The other presence of God the Bible speaks about is the “manifest presence” of God. “Manifest” is to bring from the unseen into the realm of the seen, the unheard into the realm of the heard, the unknown into the realm of the known. It’s when God reveals Himself to our senses. Okay?

That is a very real experience in Christianity. Jesus said, “I will manifest Myself to you,” right? So that presence was totally void in that— and I’m sitting there going ‘this is a believer’s conference.” Place is packed, best worship leaders in the nation, why is there no presence!? So I asked the Lord, I said, “God, why is there no presence?” And all of a sudden God open up my eyes and I’m looking at the people. And they’re standing there with their hands in their pocket looking around like this, they got their arms crossed looking down like this, they’re whispering to one another, they’re fumbling through their purses, and they’re walking in and out of this auditorium getting concession stand stuff, okay—

SID: It’s like going to a football game!

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January 2nd, 2021 at 7:32 am

Our Guest Marilyn Hickey

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MARILYN: But Jesus in us. The Lord said to me “if you will continue to press into the word and into faith, there’ll come a day when people come out of wheelchairs.” And folks, it didn’t happen overnight. It was a process faith, walking in faith, speaking the word, sometimes seeing it, praying for people to live, and a few died. But holding in, keeping in. Keep doing it. And so I learned to walk into faith, into healing miracles because the name of Jesus does it. He’s our Provision. So I want to give you 5 ways He heals the sick. Now I personally believe there are 22, but I don’t think you’ll stay here that long. So I want to give you 5 ways He heals the sick.

I said to the Lord one time, “How come you have so many ways to heal the sick?” He said, “Because if they don’t get healed this way, then I have another one. And if they don’t get healed this way, I have another one.” So I’m going to tell you you’ll be embarrassed to leave sick today. He has so many ways that He wants us to be whole. Now I want you to know when we studied Jehovah Rophe [God our Healer] my understanding is that “the Lord heals” also means “health.” So the Lord can heal you today and keep you healthy. Now who got this revelation? Moses. How long did he live? 120 years. His natural force was not abated and his eye was not dimmed. Why? Because he got the revelation of the Lord, our Health. So that’s very key for us today.

We get healed sometimes, we get wonderful healing and the miracles and then 8 months later we’re sick again. No, no, no. We are supposed to walk in health. And Nahum 1:9 says “this affliction shall not return the second time.” Amen? Okay, so the first way I want to talk to you about healing, and I love this, this is in Luke 5 is where the 4 men take their friend and cut a hole in the roof and let him into the presence of Jesus. Now the Bible says there “the power of the Lord was present to heal.” So power here has to do with “dunamis,” anointing. Everybody say, “Anointing.” (audience says “Anointing”) So I’m sure you’ve been in services and even at certain times for yourself a special anointing for healing. And that is so wonderful. I love that. I think there are certain ministries you know, you worship the Lord, worship the Lord and they wait until an anointing comes through the worship, you know, and then they begin to pray for the sick. So there is an anointing that heals the sick, but all of these take faith. And faith comes by?

AUDIENCE: Hearing.

MARILYN: And hearing by the?

AUDIENCE: Word of God. MARILYN: Word of God. There were 4 crazy faith friends. Because anybody’s crazy who would drag a paralyzed man up on a roof. I think the paralyzed man is kind of crazy too! Would you let somebody drag you up on a roof? What if you fall and that’s the end of it all? But he had faith. And so the friends, they have so much faith, they cut a hole in the roof. Now that means either they have to pay to have it fixed or fix it themselves. So I mean they’re willing to put their faith on the line, their money, whatever.

They believe their friend would be healed. So they drop him into the presence of Jesus. And what is it? The power of the Lord was present to heal. And there are times I have felt His power so strong, such anointing for healing and miracles. And he was healed. But it said “Jesus saw their faith.” Everybody say: “their faith.” (Audience says ‘their faith”). And he was healed, he was forgiven. It’s a wonderful, wonderful testimony for us. That crazy faith friends can get their relatives healed. Amen? And getting people to stand with you and have faith in the anointing.

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December 26th, 2020 at 7:46 am

Our Guest Art Thomas

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ART: Welcome everybody! It’s great to have you with us here. And my name is Art Thomas. I’m going to be talking to you tonight about healing. Now what I’ve learned is that when I’m in Africa I really only have to give a three minute teaching on healing, in fact less than that. Really all I teach is Jesus wants to heal. He wants to use you to do it so here’s how you do it. Lay hands on someone. Say “be healed in Jesus name” and then have them test it out. If it works praise Jesus. If it doesn’t do it again. Keep going until you see either they’re done and they don’t want you to anymore or you see it’s healed. Or you find that you’re in yourself you’re striving and so you just have to kind of recognize all right I don’t have the faith for it today. And I just do that. I confess to person I’m sorry.

If Jesus was standing here you would be healed right now instead you got me. And I’m not perfectly like Him but I’m growing and I want to be. All right? And I tell people keep seeking healing. Now that is so much more encouraging to a person than when we say there’s probably something wrong with you. Probably hidden sin in your life. Maybe you didn’t have enough faith. Cause now that’s funny to us because we’ve all heard it. But I can’t tell you how many meetings I go to where someone comes up to me in tears saying 20 years ago someone told me I had hidden sin and that’s why I’m not healed yet and I’ve been seeking God for 20 years and He won’t tell me what that sin is. And I’m like I know why. And they go why? I say because it’s not there. You know? That’s not what Jesus did.

When the epileptic boy wasn’t healed He didn’t pin it on the little boy. He didn’t pin it on the boy’s dad even. So biblically like family members are even like set aside because Jesus knows the emotional strain on us as family members because we love so much and we care so much. But when it comes to learning faith I always encourage people don’t learn faith in the context of your family because it’s really hard to disengage from the heavy emotion attached to it. Usually we’re like well I’ve prayed for this person 300 times and it’s just not going to happen. You know? So what I do when I teach in Africa, real short teaching and then we see people healed left and right. But when I do this in America sometimes that little statement right there everybody’s like whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up! I’ve got some questions. Which is great. You should question things.

In fact the reason I have a whole bunch of answers for you is because I questioned everything. I was the guy that took a whole three whole months of arguing against the possibility that God always wants to heal and I brought every one of those questions to the scripture. I brought all of them to the Holy Spirit. I said Lord this doesn’t make sense. This doesn’t make sense. I was asking questions about Paul’s thorn in the flesh. Questions about Timothy leaving Trophimus sick in Miletus. You know telling Timothy to drink a little wine because of his frequent illnesses. You know the city of unbelief, Nazareth, where you know Jesus could only work a few miracles. I brought all those questions to the Lord and guess what? He answered all of them. And He answered them so satisfactorily, like I’m a very logical thinker. I like to process through things. If it doesn’t make sense I’m not sold.

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December 14th, 2020 at 3:08 am