It’s Supernatural

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Hank and Brenda Kunneman and we are talking about the most important thing; I mean with what we are facing on planet earth with all the things – I mean you can’t open up a newspaper without seeing things that your candidates for a spirit of fear. We’ve got to hear God’s voice, I mean to survive, to function, to fulfill destiny, to be satisfied. I mean there is no satisfaction if you don’t have intimacy with God. If you, I mean, most Christians I know have greater intimacy with their own religion than they have with God himself. Hank, I wonder if you would give us some keys that God has shown you in hearing God’s voice.

HANK:  I think that the first thing that I have learned is, again set a time, set a place and not an agenda. You know sometimes we set an agenda and then we expect God to conform and adjust to what our agenda is for the meeting; you know the meeting time and the meeting place, and what I have learned to do is, I have times where I just go in and I talk to the Lord and I say “Lord the Bible says let the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” So I go in and I say Lord what is on your heart? That is the first thing I do is I ask him what is on his heart and then I wait. The second thing I do is I always take in a journal most of the time because it is very important. You know we want to hear from God and the Lord rebuked me one day in a gentle way. He said “do you really believe that I am going to speak to you?” And I said “Well yes” and He said “Well then why do you never document or write down what I speak to you is your memory that good?” And of course, I know it’s not and so I write down what I believe that I’ve heard. The other thing is I think hearing God is an obedience too, sometimes we don’t realize we hear God or sometimes we hear God like this – with our fingers in our ear, or we are selective in our hearing. I have two children and sometimes they are selective in their hearing.

SID:  We only hear what we want.

HANK:  That is what I am saying. Now you heard something very powerful about Samuel that maybe we could share also, I think would be a great key.

BRENDA:  Well sometimes I think we make, we as human beings we make hearing God difficult. I think the most important thing is that we have to remember that God wants to talk to us. You know we are his church we are his kids and so He loves us He cares about us He wants to speak to us. You know as a parent I want to speak to my children. You know I love talking and communicating with them. And I think that so many people feel like well you know, God isn’t interested in me, or I sinned today. So you know now He is mad at me and He doesn’t want to talk to me, and we forget that God is interested in talking to us. And I think the important thing is that we need to make it simple. When God spoke to Samuel when He was laying on his bed at night, it’s interesting that the voice of Samuel or the voice of God came to Samuel and it sounded a lot like the priest. In fact, so much that he ran to Eli and said “did you call me?” It sounded to him like what was familiar – what He could hear. And God will speak to us in ways that we can hear him. He doesn’t always speak to, you know, the way that He speaks to you may not be how He’ll talk to me. But He will communicate to me and I think the reason sometimes we don’t hear him is not because He is not talking, because God does talk to us. I think it is more sometimes that we are not believing that He wants to speak to us and that his voice is coming clearly. I think that it is more often that we are not listening and that up here we think that could not have been God, or that was just me, or I have heard that somewhere else. Or boy that just sounded like my own thoughts and a lot of the times that is not the case it is the Holy Spirit, coming to us.

SID:  Hank, you could have easily done it, but remember the time that you prophesied a woman that had a hysterectomy was going to have a child? If you had only known, I don’t know if you could’ve prophesied that.

HANK:  I didn’t know that, in fact how it happened is the Lord called this woman out, and I began to tell her, I said “Ma’am, God is going to give you a son, and you will see within one year from now the Lord will reward you with a son. Well she stood up and said “but, but, but” and I said “no, no, no, sit down.” And I didn’t really realize like you said that she had a hysterectomy. Well then her husband begins to stand up and He says “But you don’t understand.” But I heard it so clearly, down inside of here. You know a lot of people are in mental institutions that say they have heard God, and they have gone out and done something horrific or something that is totally against the character of God. It’s not a mental thing I don’t hear God in my head; I don’t hear voices I hear the Lord down inside of my heart. Sometimes it is a knowing sometimes it is an impression sometimes it is a still small voice that I hear and in this case it was very loud with this woman. What the Lord was wanting and He literally wanted to tell this woman that she was going to have a baby, within a year. And what is funny about this, and you will appreciate this (speaking to Brenda), is this woman about a year later came running up to us and said “Look what you did, look what you did.” I said “Look what I did?” And she was pregnant; this pregnant lady was running up to me I said “Ma’am’…”

SID:  You did this.

HANK:  I didn’t do this – I am a very faithful man and a very faithful husband to my wife. And I said what are you talking about?

SID:  It’s a good thing that Brenda wasn’t there look with this pregnant woman look what you did. (laughing)

HANK:  And of course, I wanted this story because everybody around the book table they were listening. Then she said you prophesied you spoke to me. She said that I would have a son, and she said the ultrasound proved it right, and then later on I did see the baby. But it was a son, but had I known ahead of time that information, it probably would’ve pulled me completely away from the place of faith. And expectancy and it could’ve maybe hindered her receiving.

BRENDA:  Because sometimes you know we get in our head and listening to the voice of the Lord coming to us you know and we just can’t trust you know that is God.  He does talk He is there and He is speaking clearly. And you know that our human side gets in the way you know.

HANK:  Well how many of us have always grabbed our Bibles to get a word from God, so we reach down we grab our bibles we put our finger in it, we open up to the first scripture and it’s the one about locust’s will come out of your face or something.

SID:  We’ll try it again.

HANK:  Right. And we have tried that and there have been powerful times though, that if I stay in the word, not just those times where you hope God will speak; even though by his grace many times He has, but if you will stay in the word. And another thing that I have learned and people say, well how do you get in the spirit? How do you see in the spirit? You know what I tell them pray in the spirit.

SID:  Did you do that a lot?

HANK:  I do that a lot. Not just in the past but I do it a lot, I pray in the spirit.

SID:  Okay when you have a pad and you are writing down what God says, you are there and you are saying God what is on your heart? What else: do you play music, do you sing do you what so you do during this time?

HANK:  That is a great thing, I do a lot of different things a lot of times if I feel sleepy sometimes I will put on worship music, other times I have done this before, you know I want to spend time with God and so I am going to lay before the Lord only to wake up disappointed an hour later and I had a good nap. So I try to keep myself very active when I am in prayer, in other words there are times when I am real tired and I get up and pace and pray.

SID:  By the way has God showed you anything about Israel?

HANK:  Not really, not really, I have not been one who has been called to that great nation. At this point, so no.

SID:  Are they going to find oil there?

HANK:  That I have actually yes, the Lord has shown me.

SID:  Look we’ll be right back I want to find out other things, that God has told Hank. I want to see what He has told him about you. Be right back after this word.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Hank and Brenda Kunneman, and I am just in awed with the true prophetic gift. I mean last week we found out that Hank literally saw what was going on with President Clinton. When he was having that extramarital affair; I’m overwhelmed with this gift, but I am saying “God” and I am saying what you are saying, “God, what about me? Can I hear God that clearly, can I hear you that clearly?” What about the people, including me, that are reaching out with our heart right now and really want to hear God’s voice. Are you someone special or can we all be special?

HANK:  I think that we all can be special and that is the beauty of it is, now the gifts of God, now what I operate in is an office, an office of a prophet. Not just that I am also a pastor of a wonderful church, but as a believer we all have a right and we all have the ability to hear from God. And what I always tell people, because they always say “how can you hear from God?” And I say listen I am not an expert at it, you know I’ve missed it before, but what I have learned to do is, my whole prayer life changed the day I went to God and I asked him one day I said “Lord I am not here to ask you for anything, I am not here to tell you anything I just want to know what is on your heart?”

SID:  Now that’s a switch. When is the last time you said “God I want to know what is on your heart” I mean normally it’s: gimme, gimme, gimme – my name is Jimmy.

HANK:  The Word of God is like Santa Claus…but I just, I learned something so powerful and it was that God has things on his heart. And all of a sudden I just began to write down, I had a little journal, I began to write down impressions that I felt, you know thoughts that would come to me, a knowing that I felt. And I began to document what I was getting and I began to notice that they started to come to pass. And it wasn’t anything like the world shaking you know like there would be like some national event…

SID:  Despise not small beginnings.

HANK:  Exactly, and it was things about my own life, things about my day, that wound up coming to pass, things about my family. And the Lord began to train me that way, but I am telling you it is so important as a Christian to ask God what is on His heart and then listen. The art of hearing God I think one is a relationship with the Lord that is so important you know, as I spend time with Brenda I learn her voice, I hear her voice.

SID:  When my wife raises an eyebrow, I know what is going on.

HANK:  Yeah, I know. I think that is what you have as well (speaking to Brenda). But the beauty of it is when you ask God your whole life will change, when you ask him what is on his heart. And then listen. I am a very intense person anyway, I am very restless. You know that to be true (speaking to Brenda), so for me learning to listen to God was a challenge, but I would just learn to lay quiet and just listen or kneel.

SID:  Did you force yourself; did you have to literally, initially, especially if nothing is going on?

HANK:  Yes I did.

SID:  I mean that’s when it gets tough let’s get candid.

HANK:  Well, there would be times when I would be praying and then I would be kneeling down and all of sudden I would be praying and I would be saying something totally out of my mouth that was not even relevant. Or I would nod off and go to sleep or I would be thinking about taking out the garbage, or something silly like that so I really had to train myself to just literally settle down, listen to the Lord. But I think that a lot of people, you know God told Moses to meet him at a place called there. And I think the most important key to hearing God, is you have to have a meeting time and a meeting place.

SID:  In your book you talk about have a date.

HANK:  Yeah, yeah, I know that may sound kind of squirrelly but the truth of the matter is the more real you make God the more real He will be to you. And before I met my wonderful wife of fifteen years, I used to take God out on Valentine’s Day, and Christmas and all of that was the loneliness days of my life. So I thought well you know I can make better use of my time, so I literally would take the Lord out and drive with him. And treat him as though He was right there and God began to match that and He began to speak to me and began to reveal things to me. Just in a simple, pure intimate way, just because I made time for him; I made a place for God.

SID:  Now there was a time in your life even though you heard God clearly, that is was a real dry spell, and out of that came your book, called what Hide and Seek.

HANK:  Yeah, Hide and Seek: Finding the God, well I was really kind of angry with God Sid, because I would pray for like six months – seven months and I would go into my prayer closet and I would literally say, “Lord where are you?” And a couple of times I shook my fist at him and said, “You know, you don’t want to spend time with me? What is the problem?” And I was getting very frustrated because I couldn’t sense the Lord you know some people feel God different ways. But I didn’t sense the Lord so I began to get very frustrated very upset at the Lord. And here is what I said to him, I said “God I am going to go out, and I am going to fast and pray.” So I went out and to fast and pray, and I thought you know that is going to change God right? You know so I went out to fast and pray and the Lord was not anywhere to be found so I thought, and I remember walking out into the woods and there were three deer probably I would say three quarters of a mile to a mile away, and I said “Lord you are not even listening to me I am out here fasting I have had this dry spell for seven months, if you are really listening to me or if you care, make those deer come to me God.” You’re not a God that, I mean you can do that; you parted the Red Sea.

SID:  And so you really expected them to come to you, what happened?

HANK:  Well, they ran the opposite direction.

SID:  Oh no (laughing).

HANK:  And I felt terrible, I thought oh no I have sinned and so I was mad, and you know how you do, or at least I do, when I was angry, and I said “well if I was you I would do it this way God” “if I was you”, and I began to talk to the Lord about I didn’t believe in his methods. I thought his methods of speaking to me were terrible, and I really had an attitude, and to be honest with you I probably should’ve gotten in big trouble. But here’s what happened I was so frustrated I just knelt down didn’t even kneel down; actually laid down and fell asleep and probably drifted off for about 45 minutes, only to be awakened by the sound of a deer snorting. I don’t know if you have ever heard a deer snort it’s pretty…I won’t imitate that. But the deer was snorting and I looked up and the three of them were literally about 10 to 15 feet away from me and that’s when everything began to change. And God said “Hank I have been here all a long I was putting something in you that will never be taken away from you” And I said “Lord what is that” and He said “spiritual perseverance, spiritual hunger.” Sometimes we only see God when we feel like it, sometimes we only see God when it is convenient but God is interested in us seeking him when we don’t have all of the feelings. When, sometimes we are in a busy life or a busy schedule, where we take time out to know him. And God showed up in a beautiful way and it has been intimate ever since.

SID:  What about you; how would you like God to show up in a beautiful way, and be intimate forever? I mean literally – maybe you won’t have the office of a prophet but you are going to have intimacy. This is what He wants, this is what you want. Don’t go away, we are going to give you some clues about ready to have God hearing explosion.

SID: Sid Roth here with Pastor Henry Wright, I am so excited because I have a passion to understand how we can have physical healing actually effect our body to change so we can feel good, and you know I take vitamins, that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m saying there is a principle in God’s word that He has healed all of our diseases and I will not be satisfied until I see this played out in life. We were, in the last segment we were talking about someone that had high blood pressure, and how worry about what’s going to happen tomorrow, which is actually a sin because you are doing the opposite of what God says, don’t worry about what’s going to happen tomorrow, so you are involved in sin, so your blood pressure goes up, you take your medication, and then Henry, you read this book, what’s going to happen to the body and you follow the instructions.

HENRY: Well if we can show a person that their high blood pressure is because they are worrying about the future, and it’s a fear issue, and get them to repent to God, recognize it, take responsibility with the Father, say I’m sorry, I didn’t see this, I didn’t know this, I repent to You Father, I know You have not given me a spirit of fear, I repent to You for worrying that You cannot take care of me in the future. Then in that moment as they begin to line up with God, as a work of the Holy Spirit, the power of that fear is broken and it becomes a diminishing reality, they have their mind renewed because they have the word of God now to meditate on, not just that thought that comes to them that something is going to go wrong in the future, there are hundreds of people in the world no longer have high blood pressure when they just become a doer of the word and take no thought for tomorrow. In that time the mind-body connection is broken, the cell membrane semi-rigidity is broken, the blood vessel’s open up to proper diameter, the blood flows and high blood pressure is finished and the good news is this: no medication is required any longer. This is what God wants for us, to be able to walk in health, not be maintained in a disease, or managed in a disease He wants us to be changed spiritually.

SID: You know Henry, at dinner last night we were talking about environmental illness, E.I., which seems to be almost epidemic, especially among a lot of Jewish people, and your comment was, “That’s easy, what’s the root cause?”

HENRY: Oh easy, compromised immune system coming with a broken heart. All a broken heart is, is this: a person was damaged by somebody who was supposed to love them and didn’t. And when you are not loved by somebody who was supposed to love you, fear comes because there is no fear in love. Now that compromises the immune system, we are internationally recognized in healing and prevention of simple and complex allergies as you know, and allergies are so easy to get rid of.

SID: Now I’d like, the best thing for us to do right now is tell me a few people, real people and what was wrong with them and what happened?

HENRY: Well first of all we have Karen who is a gold medalist. We bumped into her in Dallas, Texas, actually Houston when she was nine, having epileptic seizures, she had grand mal seizures. She couldn’t continue her training as a young girl to be a gold medalist because you can’t go out and skate and have a seizure. Her parents brought her to a conference that I was doing in Houston, and actually I had had some success in the removal of epilepsy from people. This is a great story because I was busy in that conference and my wife Donna was there and I said, “You go deal with it, all you have to do is cast out a deaf and dumb spirit like Jesus and the disciples did.”

SID: That’s all you have to do.

HENRY: That’s all you have to do in the Name of Jesus, and my wife looked at me and said, “Me?” And I said, “Aw you can do it, He’ll work with you.” And she went over and spoke to that deaf and dumb, that was an evil spirit Sid, causing the seizure manifestation. she cast it out in the name of Yeshua. And that young girl never had another seizure and now she is a gold medalist in America in figure skating.

SID: That must excite you when you turn on your TV and see her skating. Tell me someone else.

HENRY: The other situation was Randy, and he was advanced MS, when he came to us he had to have a walker; he had lost most of his mobility. And in one of our programs, “For My Life,” he understood that he had self-hatred, he had not been loved by his father, he didn’t experience the love of a father, and he had come down under it. When he received the love of God his Father, and that was removed from his life, the doctor’s reports are incredible. The very same week when his doctors interviewed him, they took him off his medication, he is healed today. The sclerosis of the immune system eating the myelin sheath in the nerves has been healed, and he has full mobility and goes where he wants to.

SID: Quickly tell me about this man that died with his doctor right next to him in your presence.

HENRY: That was Casper. In Casper’s case, he was a well-known rock musician in America; he played John Lennon in Beatlemania on Broadway, he was led to the Lord by Phil Cagey, and, but he had atra-fibulation, he had allergies, he had asthma. His doctor brought him to me for prayer, I didn’t get that far, he dropped dead with his doctor standing there in my church.

SID: Now that is not someone that has a passion for healing, something you look forward to.

HENRY: I’ll tell you something; it’s not good when people drop dead in your church.

SID: No.

HENRY: You can bring them in dead already, but not when they are alive, okay? In this particular case, he had no more pulse, his doctor was there, and I cast the spirit of death out of him in the Name of Jesus, or Yeshua, and he came back to life. And when he got up off the floor, he not only was alive, he had no more asthma, he had no more allergies, he had no more atra-fibulation, and this has been over five years and he is well today.

SID: Now do people get healed, I know they get healed in your church, I know they get healed from your seminar, what about just reading these books?

HENRY: Around the world, and this book is an international best-seller, and people have this book all over the world and the letters and e-mails that we are getting from around the world of people who have been healed just reading the truth their hearts open and they go, “I didn’t know that.”

SID: How many diseases have you researched?

HENRY: We have, being in health research, we are now researching in our research department over seven hundred diseases ongoing, and Sid, with God’s help, we intend on defeating every single one. You know why?

SID: Why?

HENRY: Because when you take a disease and you say incurable, you are exalting Satan. There is no such thing as incurable because that means God is limited. God is all-powerful and He is able to save and heal and deliver one hundred percent and as a believer, a human being, as a pastor I must hold out for God being God at this level one hundred percent of the time.

SID: God has not given you a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. Do you realize if you are not walking in power, you are not walking in love, you are not walking in a sound mind, you may be walking in a spirit of fear, that’s the way of checking yourself? And the minute that you are out of love you are in fear, so you know what you do? Resist that thought and jump back into the love realm, of course you can’t jump into the love realm mentally, you can’t do it through the occult or the new age, you can only do it if the King of Love lives inside of you; and you don’t have to say, “Oh love come here,” you see if Jesus is your Messiah and Lord, you say, “Thank you Lord, your love is inside of me, your peace is inside of me.” I’m so grateful for intimacy with God; I want you to have intimacy with God. There is nothing this world has to offer and when you have intimacy with God this is what God’s word says, “All things are yours.” Don’t you want to walk in peace no matter what’s shaking? Yet once more God says I am going to shake this earth and those that are not on a foundation will not stand, get on that foundation, go for the gold, you may not be a swimmer, but go for the real gold.

SID: Sid Roth here with Henry Wright, he has fascinating insight, you see he has a passion for seeing people walk in all that God has for them. In fact Henry, you told me your passion isn’t for people to be healed, your passion is for them to not get sick in the first place.

HENRY: That’s right, if we center on the fact that healing is the issue, healing is actually the bonus, healing is God’s grace and mercy towards us as we begin to realign ourselves to Him. God’s perfect will is not to heal you scripturally and theologically, in Deuteronomy chapter seven, beginning in verse eleven it says this, that if you’ll hear what God said and you will understand it and be a doer of the word that He will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt upon us, so God’s perfect will is that we don’t get sick. Could we consider possibly, that we could live a lifetime and not have a disease? Is that possible theologically?

SID: Is it?

HENRY: Yes.

SID: All right if someone were to follow and go after those open doors in your book, not even go to your seminar, which is wonderful, I’ve been to it, but just follow these; do you think that will change their destiny health wise?

HENRY: Absolutely, to know the truth, the truth shall make you free. But we are wandering in area even science, even medical science, we are in the dark ages, all we are doing is chasing symptoms, all we are doing is disease management. The ability to consider the root cause for disease is an ever-evaporating reality.

SID: Let’s go back to, first segment we were talking about high blood pressure, and you said it’s basically being fearful of what is going to happen in the future was the major root. How does, what happens physiologically to the body when you start worrying about tomorrow?

HENRY: Well this is what we call spirit, soul, body connection, everybody knows mind-body connection, but what, it has it’s foundation with a spirit of fear, but in the New Testament, in Timothy it says, “God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.” And what happens in this pathway to produce this disease is a person begins to become one with fear, they become one with it spiritually, they become one with it psychologically, and its thought and their thoughts are one. They begin to project what could go wrong in the future. The body sets in motion an imbalance

SID: So you are saying all that we have to do is think this and it actually has an effect on our body.

HENRY: Absolutely. Unfortunately many people don’t know that their thought aren’t their own and so, and that opens up, Paul said our battle is not with flesh and blood, so this may not be just be a psychological problem, it may not be just a soul problem, I understand it as a spiritual problem. I know the source of people’s thoughts more than they wish I would know and that is a whole new dimension we don’t want to get into here. But let’s just talk about this pathway of one disease because it will help people understand what we are saying. If you have fear of tomorrow and what could go wrong, then there is an imbalance of the sympathetic nervous system

SID: Listen you can’t watch tonight’s news without getting fear of tomorrow with all that’s coming out there.

HENRY: I understand, but what does the Bible say? It says when you see these things happening in the earth don’t let your heart be troubled. So why don’t we just take our peace?

SID: Okay, someone sees that it’s going to be a pandemic death throughout the world from bird flu; over and over again the fear hits them, then what happens to them.

HENRY: Well if you’re a natural man I’d be afraid, but if you’re a spiritual man what is the worst thing that can happen to you? You can die and go to heaven. So why would we, see Paul to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

SID: Okay, but what is going on inside a body when they don’t take their thoughts captive and they see what goes on in the six p.m. news?

HENRY: In the area of high blood pressure there is a mechanism of the cardiovascular system in which the membrane of the cardiovascular system actually stiffens and narrows, and the blood that’s being pumped by the heart cannot get through, and that raises the blood pressure. And so the person goes to a doctor and they don’t feel well and he says to them, “My, your blood pressure is off the charts.” And they say, “Is that serious?” And he says, “Yes, you could die.” You think they had fear coming into his office? Now they have the fear of death, they thought they were worrying about their mother-in-law coming next week.

SID: And at least they get medication that will mess them up even worse sometimes with high blood pressure.

HENRY: Well the medication is a beta-blocker, all that does is circumvent the imbalance of the sympathetic nervous system, but now they are being maintained by a drug. Do they still have the same fear about what can go wrong tomorrow?

SID: Yes.

HENRY: Yes. Have they been sanctified? No. Are they doers of the word? No. They are being maintained by a drug.

SID: Listen, you know what I think is so wonderful? Is in Henry Wright’s updated new book, especially this booklet on cancer, he takes every disease, he points out what the problem is, and what to do about it and how to get rid of the problem and he is not against medicine, without medicine a lot of people would die, without doctors a lot of people would die, so use these things that just puts you in a maintenance mode with your disease until you can get whole. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back after this message.

SID: What’s going on? I don’t know about you but health insurance premiums, they’re going up all the time, there’s all these dread diseases, it seems like everyone knows someone with cancer, if you go into a church, the majority of people are sick, they say nationwide less than five percent of people in Christian churches are healed. Something is wrong somewhere with the picture. I’ve got the Book, the Book is very clear, the book says that God has forgiven all of our sins the Book says that God has healed all of our diseases, but there is a misconnect and my guest, Henry Wright has a great a passion, if not more, to find out what is this misconnect, and how can we get the connect going so that we can get what we are entitled to according to the written word of the promises of the Living God, because God isn’t a man that He should lie and even in the Jewish scriptures He is the God that heals all of our diseases. So, Henry, you come from a family that understood healing, your mother had, was supposed to die, what happened to her?

HENRY: She had fiber-sarcoma cancer, fast growing and fatal, and in a church service when everybody was forgiving everyone else for bitterness God took the cancer out of her instantly, she was paralyzed on a stretcher. I assume when she was repenting to God for some bitterness issue that she met the conditions of the covenant.

SID: And because you knew healing was for real, now you are a pastor, you read the Book, you lay hands on the sick, you anoint them with oil, you take communion, you do everything you know to do, and what results were you getting?

HENRY: Initially pretty good, and then nothing, very little. And I went to God and I asked Him, “How come? I see in the word that You forgive us of all of our iniquities, You heal us of all of our diseases, why not?” And God took me to Second Timothy, chapter two, and He showed me in verses 24, 25, and 26 that the enemy, our enemy, our invisible enemy, Satan, his kingdom, can have a legal right to our lives even as believers, and by the way that legal right is the same in the unbeliever’s life as it is the believers. And it was shocking to me to read in those verses by the Apostle Paul that Satan could have a legal right to our lives and hold us captive at his will. And then I found there that he said, “The servant of the Lord must not strive, must be gentle unto all men, patient, able to teach, in meekness instructing those that are in opposition to themselves, that God per adventure give repentance to the acknowledging of the truth that they may recover themselves from the snare of the devil.” And I said could it be that there is something in a person’s life that is preventing God from honoring covenant.

SID: Yes, but if someone’s got a dread disease they are not going to rob a bank, they are not going to get involved in adultery, they are not going to murder someone, so what is the misconnect?

HENRY: Well I think we have made everything evil, big. I think there are things like, called little foxes, like bitterness and fear. Self-bitterness is a form of self-murder. Bitterness against other according to scriptures is a form of murder. We don’t think this way, we always think of sin as, or evil things, as robbing banks and adultery and so on. Could it be that we misunderstand and have maybe humanized what is really a spiritual defect?

SID: You know you said something before the show started, you were talking about one of the causes of one of the biggies, fear, is lack of love, why is that?

HENRY: Well, First John, 4:18 says there is no fear in love, says perfect love casts out fear, fear has torment and he that fears is not made perfect in love. If you don’t feel loved, fear is at your door. I mean, you look around, when you were growing up as a child, maybe your father didn’t love you the way he should have maybe your pastor.

SID: Wait, let’s talk about me for a minute, coming from a Jewish background it’s like the macho, we men don’t cry, we are kind of aloof, but the mother, it’s okay for the mother to do it, so I can’t remember my father, now I’m sure he did when I was real small, but I can’t remember my father taking his arm, putting it around me and saying, “I love you.”

HENRY: Well that’s a big issue. In conferences that I do around the world, regardless of culture, regardless of size of audience, regardless of denomination or religion, 95 percent of the people in an audience will raise their hand when I ask this question, “How many of you growing up as children do not remember hearing your father say, “I love you”? yet in the Bible, and the three things that the Father’s voice is recorded in the New Testament, only three times, God the Father’s voice is audibly recorded, two of the three times concerning Jesus He says, “This is My beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased.” I think probably part of the fear issues we deal with is we are not sure God the Father loves us. Maybe Yeshua is our friend

SID: Is it possible to intellectually believe God loves us but in the place that it really counts, not?

HENRY: Well relationship is not intellectual, relationship is in the heart and oh we know what is right or wrong, we know we are supposed to forgive our neighbor, we know that we are supposed to love, but it does not mean that we have the ability to because we have not had role models, we have not experienced it and many of the diseases I deal with are coming out of separation at these levels, separation from God, separation of a person from themselves, and separation from others.

SID: You have been able to identify specific roots or doors, or, if you really want to get technical, sin areas that are not the quote “biggies” they are very specific for specific diseases, give me one disease and tell me a specific door.

HENRY: Well the one that is most famous is high blood pressure which is an easily understood disease, in fact high blood pressure should not be classified a disease at all. That will come as a surprise to you.

SID: That is, I’ve never heard a doctor say, “Oh you have high blood pressure, that is not a disease.”

HENRY: Well, the bulk of high blood pressure is, should be classified as syndrome, because there is nothing wrong with the cardiovascular system at all, but something in our thought process, you can say our spirituality and our thought process, in which we are not at peace about an issue. In fact high blood pressure is the biological manifestation of not being a doer of the word, and when you go back to the Torah, and you look in Deuteronomy chapter 28 it says, “And it shall come to pass.” You want to hear a prophetic statement?

SID: Yes.

HENRY: And it shall come to pass. Is that prophetic?

SID: That is.

HENRY: All right. The next word in

SID: True prophetic.

HENRY: That’s true prophetic, and it shall come to pass, as prophetic as you can come. But then the next word is “if”. So that means the prophetic has a condition, and it shall come to pass, if you hear what God has said, and you will be a doer of the word, then all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you. Then over in verse fifteen, here comes another prophetic statement, and it shall come to pass is that prophetic?

SID: Yes.

HENRY: Next word, “if” there is your condition, and it shall come to pass if you will hear what God said but you will not be a doer of the word then all these courses shall come upon you and overtake you. So here we have ourselves caught between two realities, blessings and curses. Now what does that have to do with high blood pressure?

SID: Good question, I was about ready to ask.

HENRY: Very simple, very simple. In the writings in the New Testament it says this, “Take no thought for tomorrow for tomorrow may never come.” I ask believers, “Do you think that is a philosophical suggestion or a commandment?”

SID: Command.

HENRY: Well it doesn’t say, “Thus sayeth the Lord.”

SID: It’s a command.

HENRY: It is, isn’t it? So what happens to people and they begin to worry and project into the future things that might go wrong, it could be finance, it could be health, it could be a number of things. When we begin to take thought for tomorrow, you see, what it says in the scriptures.

SID: I tell you what, hold that thought. Did you know there is a specific door for every disease and Henry has found doors, I mean most unbelievable in his booklet, “New Insights Into Cancer.” I mean this is really cutting edge stuff, and then your book, “A More Excellent Way, Be In Health.” You have things in here, you take every disease and you state, not by theory, but by working with them, what that open door is, how to get rid of it and how literally your body physiologically will start changing when you are feeding it the right food. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back.