It’s Supernatural

Sid:  My guest Kevin Dedmon was a pastor, a burned out pastor, he had a gift of healing when he was a brand new believer and lots of people were getting healed.  But then he prayed for a woman with every fiber of his being that had cancer and she died and then he just flat stopped and could answer any question theologically, but that first love, that excitement it was kind of gone.  And then he went out to the Brownsville revival, got touched by the power of God and was forced to pray for someone and the pain left that person and he realized that what he had as a young, as a teenager had never left him; he had just left what God had for him.  But why Kevin, did you resign from your pastorate and move to Redding, California?

Kevin:  Well, it’s pretty simple I was just hungry, very, very hungry.  I wanted to experience all that God had available for me and I wanted to be part of changing the world in some way.  I wanted to make a difference in people’s lives.

Sid:  I know, but you’re a mature pastor now, successful pastor, a Bible School Graduate, why would you go into a classroom with a lot of teenagers, a few older people, but why would you do that?  Wasn’t that kind of humbling?

Kevin:  Well, it wasn’t humbling because it was a result of hunger and there was food available that I’d not tasted yet and I heard a drum beat.  I heard you know that there was a availability that everybody could do this stuff and I had been trained that you know everybody gets to play.  You know John Wimber taught me for years that everybody gets to play, but it looked like not everybody got to play because God’s giftings only sort of came on specially gifted people.  And I was hearing a message from Bethel, from Bill Johnson that not only does everybody get to play but that everybody is playing up there and everybody’s healing the sick and doing these kinds of things and changing the world.  And I’m only going to live once, I want to get everything I can and I want to walk into my destiny; so it wasn’t really sacrifice so much as it was passion.

Sid:  Okay, well Kevin I understand by what you did you demonstrated the huge hunger you had for God.  What advice would you give to someone that said, “I want to be hungry for God,” but their kind of passive, what can get them hungry for God?

Kevin:  Well, our Pastor Bill Johnson says it like this, “You get hungry in the Kingdom by eating, you get hungry in the natural by not eating, but you get hungry in the Kingdom by eating.”  And I would just encourage people that if they want to step into the supernatural lifestyle that’s available in the Kingdom that they just start hungering after it.  Read the book, get the resources, go to the conferences get the impartations from the people that are already walking in this so that they get equipped, they get empowered and they get activated.

Sid:  Well, I believe that if someone reads your book, “Unlocking Heaven” that hunger, when they see what did with your life, and of course what you do is you don’t keep it to yourself.  You share keys that I’ve never seen before.  Actually Holy Spirit showed it to me and I walked away from it; you talk about the key of singing over someone; I mean no one teaches on that; for the key of how to walk in supernatural joy and you say things about that I’ve never seen before.  In fact I’ll tell you an interesting story, years ago I use to lay hands on the sick and I would find myself sometimes when I was standing in front of someone I would sing over them.  And I would find that the power would increase.  So I kept it up and then I started working in what is known as Words of Knowledge so I stopped laying hands on the sick and I stopped the singing.  But I think I’m going to start the singing again.

Kevin:  Ha-ha, I think you should.

Sid:  Give me one example of where you sang over someone and they got healed.

Kevin:  Well, what I do more than anything is, you know I really try to hear what the Holy Spirit is doing in the environment that I’m in.  You know because Jesus didn’t do the same thing over and over again, every miracle was approached differently and there was a different strategy being played.  And so it’s not about a religious formula or a technique.

Sid:  And that’s why so many people that understand the principles don’t see much fruit because they’re down to a formula.

Kevin:  Exactly and it’s about relationship so.  For example I was praying over a woman in Kirkland, Washington and she had been debilitated for five years.  She had had an operation a simple operation and they had somehow, they had cut into her sciatic by accident and she was basically crippled for five years.  And so I started praying over her and I saw a vision of 10K over her head and a brand new pair of running shoes in her closet and sure enough she had been training for a 10K run and she had the brand new pair of running shoes in her closet and she hadn’t …she was planning on using those for her race right before she got injured.  And so as I started praying over her I heard this song in my head that was actually a secular song by a group called REM which goes, It’s the end of the world as know it, it’s the end of the world know it, it’s the end of the world as you know it and I feel fine.  And so I couldn’t sing that over her because that wasn’t faith.  So I changed the lyrics to this secular radio song and I sang.  It’ the end of your pain as you know it, it’s the end of your pain as you know it, it’s the end of your pain as you know it; you feel fine.  And then I had her sing it and she sang “It’s the end of my pain as I know it,” and when she finished the last note she was instantly healed.  She went home that night, her family loaded up into the mini-van and followed her as she put on her brand new running shoes and ran one complete mile that very night. And came back that next day complaining that her muscles hurt because she hadn’t walked, let alone run in five years.  Ha-ha-ha.

Sid:  You talk about being so saturated with the Word of God and the Spirit of God that you spring links, what do you mean by that?

Kevin:  Well, Jesus said, “Is anyone thirsty,” in John 7:37 “Let him come to me and drink, and then river of living water will flow out from them.”  That’s drinking and leaking and to me that’s what supernatural evangelism is all about.  Supernatural evangelism is about drinking in God’s presence, His passion, His love towards us, His kindness, His goodness that is manifested demonstrated in signs and wonders and miracles and in prophetic insights that call out the gold inside of us that encourage us and comfort us, His love, His forgiveness everything that flows from Him we take in and we drink in.  And then we just as naturally as we’ve taken in that stuff we release it, we leak it out of our lives so that others around us then experience the Father’s passion through us; demonstrated in signs and wonders and miracles and healings, prophetic insights that call out the gold in people.  That call them into their destiny; the plans and purposes, the good plans and purposes that God has for their lives.

Sid:  Well, speaking of leaking you rolled over in your asleep put your hand on your wife; didn’t even know what you were doing because you were sleeping; she had a bad case of hives what happened?

Kevin:    Well, right when we came to Bethel Church in 2002 my wife had been suffering from pressure hives, we really couldn’t figure out what kind of hives they were; she had gone to several dermatologists and they couldn’t figure out what it was either.  But for about six months she had this condition where she would have to get up about two or three times in the middle of the night, take a hot bath just to relieve the pain that she was experiencing.  And we came up here and everybody prayed for her and nothing seemed to be happening at the time.  One night I was just lying in bed and I was sleeping my wife was just writhing in pain from these hives all over her legs.  And I just reached over and I put my hand on her stomach and as I did all of the pain left and she hasn’t had one problem with hives since.

Sid:  But it’s so amazing Mishpochah is the number of creative miracles that are going on with Kevin and not just with Kevin, anyone that he’s been teaching…His purpose is for you to do everything he’s doing and even do greater.  I imagine there’s a certain satisfaction when some of your students outdo you.

Kevin:  Oh yes, I’m like a proud Poppa, you know it’s just like with my Son, my Son and I are constantly sharing testimonies back and forth.  And we get to minister together on occasion and it’s just so fun working together and seeing him just excel in releases the Kingdom on people and activating people into supernatural ministry as well.

Sid:  Very briefly tell me about the young girl in Mexico that was missing a jawbone.

Kevin:  Yeah, we were down in Topeka, Mexico praying for hundreds and hundreds of people.  We probably saw in one week’s time probably 2 to 3,000 people miraculously healed.  And one of the gals came up and she was missing a jawbone.  She had been a car accident and her jawbone was missing on one side so that she couldn’t smile, she couldn’t eat an apple, she couldn’t put any pressure down at all.  And I prayed for her and three months later she emailed and said that she had gone back to the doctor because when she went home that night after I prayed for her she could feel her jawbone growing back slowly all night long until the next morning it was completely grown back.  And she was reluctant to go back to the doctor because she did not know what to say; the doctor didn’t believe her until he got out the x-rays and matched them up and determined that it was exactly the same girl.  And he was an atheist and put on his website for awhile this miraculous thing that had happened to his patient.

Sid:  But this is naturally supernatural and I want you to live a naturally supernatural life…

Sid:  John Paul Jackson, I don’t see how anyone could help but be red hot for the Messiah when they see this DVD were making available this week called, “The Coming Perfect Storm.”  As I said, there are horrible things, very specific that you see happening to the United States, the world in five different arenas but the glory that is coming and it’s almost, and you explain it that as a result of let’s call it maybe warning judgment that is coming, there is going to be a deep repentance and Christians are going to be come real Christians.

John Paul:  Yes, yeah, that’s a good way of putting it, Christians are going to be become real Christians again.

Sid:  And, you know you talked in detail and I asked you before we went on the air to explain it to our Mispocah, but there seems to be a such compromise in the church, and you saw things that are going to be happening as far as exposure, and we were discussing because little by little the church is getting like the world and we don’t see God showing up striking someone down dead, like Ananias and Sapphira we think we can get away with it.  But enough is enough, what is going on?  What is God showing you?

John Paul:  One of the things that the Lord has been speaking to me about is the need to clean up His house and the judgment begins in the House of Lord and if there is warning judgments that’s going to be coming on the land and on the earth in various nations, it’s going to also come on the House of the Lord first and so what God is doing He’s…

Sid:  Well, that’s right God says that judgment begins in the House of God.

John Paul:  Right, so He’s revealing the corruption that’s going on there and sadly what has happened there is an erosion of the God of absolutes.  And whenever you erode the absolutes of God, then you erode a God who is absolute.  When you erode the God that is absolute then there is not absolute one way to get to God and eventually there is really no God that is absolutely God.  So the road to deifying God has been paved with the idea that there’s very few absolutes.  And when you do that, then corruption begins to settle into the church and that’s where we’re at right now, we have a major issue of corruption.  Divorce is as high not only in the church, as it is in the world; the divorce is as high amongst pastors as it is in the world.

Sid:  But it’s condoned, its accepted, the pastor leaves his wife, marries his secretary and he’s back in the pulpit, he may sit down for thirty days.  Something’s wrong with that picture.

John Paul:  There is something wrong and what we’ve done, I believe that we have misused the term grace and have gone over to licentiousness.  Under the guise of embracing grace and the application of grace and mercy we have gone over into licentiousness and that deeply, deeply troubles me.

Sid:  Now you saw sexual perversion being exposed in the church and many people think that well that we’ve seen some of this in the Catholic Church but you’re talking about in the protestant church as well.

John Paul:  I’m talking about in the Protestant Church where it’s not only the issue of divorce it is not only the issue of homosexuality it is also the issue of two other things that are shocking and that is bestiality will begin to be uncovered and…

Sid:  In the church?

John Paul:  In the church, and that will begin to be uncovered. And so what we have, because we have ruled out the absolutes of God then people think that the judgments of God are not longer there; that God’s not looking; God’s not seeing because God’s not acting.  All that is about to change; all that is about to change; when we are longing for a greater glory then we are going to have greater judgment comes with greater glory.  With Ananias and Sapphira there was great signs and wonders that were taking place and therefore there was great and quick swift judgment that was taking place as well.

Sid:  Something that the Holy Spirit has been speaking to you is the woes of 2012, what has God told you?

John Paul:  right well, I wish I would know more I keep hearing I have seen, and I’m not sure that this is actually 2012 or after 2012 but the issues of satellite communication, the issue of planes having difficulty landing because communications goes out.  And communications go out because of satellites that wipe out our communication system.

Sid:  Look, North Korea has got bombs that if they could hit the west coast they could knock out the satellite system on the West Coast.

John Paul:  I wasn’t aware of that, but something is going to happen along those lines.  And I believe that North Korea is far more desperate what I seen and I had a dream and North Korea was far more desperate than most people think of Korea is a small blip on the screen, like nat that just needs to be just swatted away.  But the problem is that that nat, if you want to call it a nat is not thinking clearly, there is something going on in the mind, there is a demonic twisting of thought processes of Kim Jon ll that will cause him to make irrational decisions regarding the nuclear program that he is developing.

Sid:  And could it be connected with the ungodliness of America at this moment that this is happening to us?

John Paul:  I absolutely believe that it is, if the church would take its rightful place, if we would become the backbone of this country again; if we would know how to fight for what we believe, know how to argue without getting angry over what we believe.  If we would know how to make presentation of the gospel and if we would walk in the power of the scripture.  If we would walk in the power that is available to us then people would step back and they would go woe, their knees would knock when we walk into the room.  We would walk into city council meetings, we would walk into government meetings and the leaders would be afraid because they would feel the presence of the Lord with us.  We don’t carry that now, and all we are because of that all we have done is reduced ourselves to another form of logic and its logic arguing against logic.  But God wants to give power to His people, He wants His people to do great exploits and to do that we are going to need to know Him at a much higher level and have a commitment to Him at a much higher level.

Sid:  Do you know what the inner most prayer of my heart is and has been for along time and I have some of my friends that get upset with me over this, but I don’t care, that’s the way I feel; I don’t pray for money.  I don’t pray for expansion of the ministry, I pray for intimacy with God, that’s all I want.

John Paul:  You and me must be the only ones doing that, that’s exactly what I pray for every single day, the presence of the Lord, intimacy with Him.  I don’t pray for money; I’ve never prayed for money, I have prayed for intimacy with Him, relationship with Him because in His presence all provision is found.

Sid:  And I don’t even want the provision, I just want Him, that’s where my heart is at this moment.

John Paul:  Good, I love that.

Sid:  Anyway tell us some more consequences you see as a result of this sin in the geophysical area that will be coming.

John Paul:  One of the five elements of the perfect storm is religion, economics, politics, war and the fifth element is geophysical.  And some of the geophysical things I saw was that, again God is talking, looking at man as mankind seeing mankind as the solution.  So one of the things that is going to have problems is going to be hybrid seed.  Because man has developed a hybrid seed type of, in fact almost every seed that you see out there, the wheat crops, that you’re seeing and everything.  Monsanto and others have developed hybrid seeds that you have to purchase from them and theirs supposedly give you more yield per acre; they supposedly have a bigger seed ect.  But the problem is there is going to come blight on a type of hybrid seed that will keep the seed from germinating.  The Bible talks about first the blade and then the ear and then the full corn in the ear.  And what you’ll see is blades coming through the ground, but you won’t see the ear being developed from the corn.  And whether its corn or its wheat or whether it’s barley or whether it’s oats, there is coming a blight to hybrid seeds and it’s going to create a food shortage.  Not only in the United States, but also overseas.

Sid:  Now, you also talk about a water shortage in the United States in particular.

John Paul:  Right, and I have seen in a vision, I saw thousands of people being evacuated from large cities, not just one, but a handful of cities and maybe more than that, but I saw a handful of cities because there wasn’t enough water in the city to take care of the populations.  So they evacuated people, people left the cities and thousands and thousands of cars, just bumper to bumper cars leaving cities.  Almost like you’d see when a hurricane warning goes out, people were leaving the cities like that because of the water shortage.

Sid:  And you also saw that people moving out of the cities, that’s where the property would be increasing in value because there would all of a sudden be a demand.

John Paul:  There will be a demand and part of what I saw was thistle material, nuclear thistle material hitting one city in particular, which I can’t name right now.

Sid:  I was about ready to ask you, you know that.

John Paul:  But there’s actually two cities that it’s going to hit and that would generate fear for people living in cities and they will rush to the rural areas to by land or buy houses with land.

Sid:  Now, what is this skin sores and diseases that would start appearing on people, what’s that going to come from?

John Paul:  Well, because of some things that are going to be happening in our atmosphere and I’m not a scientist, I don’t want to learn to be a scientist, I have enough on my plate right now, so I don’t understand all the exact terminology.  But there is like a bubble around what I saw in the vision was a bubble around the earth begins to crack there was cracks that formed in this bubble and when those cracks formed rays that use to not get through would start getting through, rays from the sun.  And when those rays from the sun got through it created an unusual type of sore on the skin of people that had never seen this type of sores before; doctors had never seen these types of sores before.

Sid:  Trust me, as negative as this sounds, I got so excited by the time I found out what God’s about ready to do with His people in the midst of what is being described.

Sid:   And as a matter-of-fact my guest, Patricia King is red hot for the Messiah because you know it says in scripture that “To him who is forgiven much, they love much.”  And if I want a descriptive term for Patricia King it’s someone that the love of God just radiates out of.  And I said this on yesterday’s broadcast, but I’m just overwhelmed when I watch Patricia King’s Television Show, and I see her out on the streets.  And as a matter of fact Patricia you take a lot of people that attend your Glory School that have perhaps never prophesied or never moved in Words of Knowledge, or experienced His glory out on the streets with you.  I asked you this on yesterday’s broadcast, but I want to start there today.  I want you because this is radio we will have you on television, but since this is radio I want you to take street experience and tell me about it.

Patricia:  Oh sure, I remember I mean so many are coming to my mind right now but I remember one time our team decided to go homeless because we wanted to relate to the homeless people; we’d been down in that particular area of our city where there’s a lot of drug addicted people and they just weren’t warming up to us.  So we went homeless and just hung out with them and identified with them.  And on that particular day, I met this young gal, she was a crack addict and she was passed out on the street and so we began to just reach out to her and heard her heart.  We just sat there and listened to her heart.  And after awhile of just hearing her heart and when she trusted us we began to share with her the love of Jesus Christ and the power that He had to set her free.  And all of a sudden she began to weep and weep and weep and so we prayed with her, she received Jesus Christ as her Savior and then we prayed against her addiction.  And as we prayed for the addiction this fire went through her body that she actually felt, she said “I feel fire, I feel like hot on the inside, I feel fire!”  So we explained to her, “That is the fire of God’s love that is the fire of His deliverance power burning up the addiction on the inside of you.”  And she said, “Yes, I believe it” and she started to just weep more and more.  Well, at the end of the encounter she was in our arms, you know we had been rocking her like a little baby and she was just so blessed and so assured in the Lord and immediately sobriety came upon her and she was absolutely normal.  She said, “I feel so normal, I feel I feel so wonderful.”  Now, she had come from another state and ended up in the inner city and back on her addiction.  So her family was in another state and she had run from them and now after receiving Christ she wanted to go back to them.  And so she returned home to the state she was from and got reconnected with her family; and she was instantly set free but entered into discipleship.

Sid:  And I would image that that is the major thing that people are saying that attend your Glory School of they understand the Glory of God; the presence of God and the gifts become activated in their life.  There’s some things that are going on in your ministry that I’ve heard of and there are some things going on in your ministry that I haven’t really heard of.  Explain the lightning’s of God.

Patricia:  Well, Revelation 4 and verse 5 says, “Out from the Throne comes flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder.  And so of course a throne room is a Kingdom reality, there is a Real Throne Room with a real Throne with a real Messiah that sits on that Throne and He is real in our lives.  Jesus said, “Pray in this way, Your Kingdom come Your Will be done in the earth as it is in Heaven.  So I remember the very first time that I experienced lightnings was I think back in around 1999 when we were in a room of people praying and waiting on God, and all of sudden, in the room, and this is inside the house came a visible vivid flash of lightning.  And we all saw it and we said, “Oh, my gosh!” And that was amazing; and that particular night six flashes of lightning came and this was visible; we saw it with open vision.

Sid:  Now, when you say we, did everyone see it?

Patricia:  Everyone saw the light, in fact there was one skeptic in the room who said, “You know maybe it’s not an actual lightning, maybe it’s an electrical short on the light in the natural, you know like the light in the room.”  And so we ended up to just test it out, we shut down all the electricity in the room and just had some table candles on the coffee table and that was all the light that we had at the end of this; and the lightning still came in and so we determined that this was a real lightning from God.  And we asked the Lord, “Lord what is this?” Because that was the first time, we didn’t know what the lightnings were about.  And He began to reveal to us into our thinking thoughts about natural lightning and He said, “As it is in the natural, so it parallels what with is happening in the Spirit.”  And in natural lightning, what happens is that there’s an actual shift because of the lightning that brings things into alignment in the atmosphere.  So the negative ions and the positive ions, I’m not, you know sure how it all works but lightning actually freshens the air; because it brings things out of order into order.

Sid: Well, speaking of out of order into order, tell me about that church that had lightning hit and within that week sin was exposed in the leadership.

Patricia:  Yeah, actually it was about two months after that first encounter we had with lightning, I was ministering in a church and we were just doing a conference, we had been invited in to speak and as we were sitting down at one of the sessions and the Pastor got up in pulpit to give announcement and to introduce us.  All of the sudden the appearance of those lightings came out it was a flash of light.  Not everyone in the room saw that, but I saw it and two other people on our team saw it, we looked at each other and we thought “Oh, my gosh, what was that you know?”  And when we were praying about it afterwards we talked to the Pastor about it and we said, “You know we saw lightning flash on you when you were up on the pulpit,” and we explained to him what we learned about the lightings.  And we said, “You know sometimes, it brings things that are out of order into order,” and we did not know that the Pastor was in sin.  But we told him we said, “This is what God calls for that things out of order to be brought into order.”  And within one week of that lightning flash there was an exposure of sexual sin in that pastor’s life and so it brought cleansing to the church.

Sid:  I’m wondering if we are going to see a lot of that because it appears to me that we have a generation of Christians here in the United States of America, North America that are not that concerning about holiness and living in sin.

Patricia:  I know it’s so vital Sid, that we align ourself with the righteousness of God because we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus; so we need to manifest that.  And I do believe that there is going to be some strong dealings.  I know that a number of months back the Lord spoke to me a Word concerning appropriate discipline that when sin is exposed there needs to be appropriate discipline and repentance or else increase lawlessness will come.

Sid: I see that many people where sin is exposed and the whole gospel is forgiveness but there has to be repentance and they can’t just you know a month later, go back into ministry.

Patricia:  Exactly, I agree totally.

Sid:  …Tell me about when a person goes to the week Glory School in person what are some of the things that people leave with?

Patricia:  In the Glory School, we teach a life in the supernatural; how to live in the invisible kingdom of God with supernatural ability and empowerment; interaction with the Holy Spirit; following Him into all kinds of Devine encounters and Glory encounters; including how to discern angelic presence; and understand from the Spirit what they are doing and how to access by faith through scriptures and the leading of the Spirit Throne Room encounters.  And so students that come learn a strong foundation of the Word concerning who they are in Christ and what they have in Him according to Covenant.  Because as you know Jesus came and cut a covenant for us on behalf of men with God that is an eternal unbreakable covenant full of promises for us to walk in.  So the Glory School teaches us how to walk with Holy Spirit into the Glory dimensions of the Kingdom of God.

Sid:  Now many people that have never moved in the glory realm that have never had Third Heaven type experiences, once they take your school and your classes, this is normal.  This isn’t just the superstar is it?

Patricia:  No, all the Word is for all of God’s people and it says in Deuteronomy 9:29 “The secret things belong to God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever.”  And so when the scriptures are revealed to us God expects us to encounter it and so the Glory School teaches people how to encounter what is revealed to them by the Spirit in the Word.

Sid: Image if you were in a church service, as my guest Bruce Allen was in and they see a man and he’s got holes in his hands and they realize its Jesus.  What happened next?

Bruce: Well, as we left off previous message there, they were in the bathroom, they brought him a red T-shirt and a glass of water.  When he took off his shirt, they saw this hole in his side and the piercings in his hands and he looked like he had been whipped with a cat- a- nine tails.  But their eyes we blinded; they just thought this man had been severely mugged.  I mean that he’d been out and something had happened.  So they brought him into the service and I was up teaching.  They brought him in on the left and they sat in front.  And at the end of the service, the medical doctor who was also an elder in the church, the pastor said go over and ascertain from this gentleman what it is that he needs in prayer.  Well when the doctor went over and looked at him he thought that he should be taken immediately to the emergency room, he looked like he was on deaths door.  So the Pastor walked over and I’m watching this because I have turned it over to the Pastor at that point.  The Pastor walks over and begins to dialogue and says, “Brother, come up to the front so we can pray with you.”  Well, when the man stood up he walked bent over like he was under a heavy weight.  Now, just picture Jesus carrying the cross, and so as they’re walking up he turns to the man and says, “In the Name of Jesus, I command strength to come, stand up straight.”  And immediately the man stood up straight and this beatific smile came upon his face, and they came up to the front and dialogued and prayed a little bit and so after the prayer they said, “Well, Pastor, what do we do with him.”  He said, “Well, here’s some ringgit, he can get a taxi and get a meal.  He said, “No, I don’t need your money.”  You got to understand, they think this man is just been on the street, he’s beat within an inch of his life he’s been mugged.  This lady who had been watching from the back came forward and said, “Here’s fifty ringgits,” he said,” No thank you, I don’t need your money, and out of pockets in each side he had a thousand ringgits freshly minted bills.  And they were shocked, they went, “Whoa.”

Sid: Now which country is this the currency from?

Bruce: Malaysia, Kuala, Lumpur, Malaysia.

Sid: Alright, go ahead.

Bruce: So they said, “What do we do?”  Well, take him down stairs and get him a taxi.  And so the Pastor his wife and I left and we went out to fellowship afterwards.  They took this man downstairs, now there in the guard gate and, this is in an industrial area so the street you have to walk for at least a thousand yards before you’re out of sight.  The guard, he’s in the guard shake, the guard because it’s raining, the guard get’s on the phone, looks to his left, turns back and he had vanished into thin air.  Well, on the way home that night the Pastor began to dialogue with the Lord, and say, “You know what Lord, I don’t understand, we prayed and believed according to that word that you would give us a sign and You never showed up and immediately the Spirit of God said, “Oh, yes I did.”  And this man’s face flashed in his mind’s eye and he pulled over to the side of the road, and he called his elder and he said, “Where did this man go?”  He said, “Well, it’s funny you should ask Pastor, because this is what happened, he had vanished right out of the guard shack.”  So the Pastor for two hours drove all over looking for this man.

Sid: I imagine so.  One of the things you talked about eight hundred people seeing Jesus in the congregation.  Tell me about when you teach whole groups get caught away in the spirit, explain.

Bruce: Oh yes, sir, my passion is that people understand that it is they’re birth right not only to see into the realm of the Spirit, but actually to go into the realm of the Spirit.  Basic scripture on that is John 3:3 “When Nicodemus came to Jesus at night, Jesus said, Nicodemus unless a man is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”  What He was saying, Nicodemus if you’re born again you can see the kingdom of God. And in another instance John 14:12 Jesus said, “The works that I do you’ll do also.  And in John 5:19 He said, “I only do what I see; now that’s  just a couple of scriptures.  Therefore because I can do what He does, and He only did what He saw I can see, and so we’ve taught this in many nations of the world that it is their birthright to see.  We pray a prayer of activation and what’s fascinating to me is beginning at that first conference where you saw where I’m transparent, from that time on I had begun to see chariots of fire and on occasion they literally come into the room.  And when I have seen that I know that the people are going to have a supernatural experience and many will be caught away in the spirit.  So there were times where I have taught groups of eighty five, out of eighty five, eighty four had a supernatural experience where they began to experience where they began to see and or were caught up into the Third Heaven.

Sid: And I understand as you teach, you see angels and the people see angels and people receive new mantles.  Tell me about the new mantles they receive.

Bruce: We were teaching in what they call a family camp, a retreat, but over in that part of the world their family camp retreats are five star resort hotels, which is nice.  But so we were teaching this particular message and all of a sudden, into the room there were about 210 people at the camp.  Approximately 220 – 230 angels walked in and they stood behind each individual in the room and every angel had what looked like a royal robe or a mantle.  And so I dialoged this, “Father what are we doing and what do you want me to do?  And He, the short of the story is that everybody was to stand up and as a prophetic gesture, just as a gentleman would put a wrap or a coat upon a woman they were to put it on, make that prophetic gesture.  Well, in that culture, that’s a little demonstrative for them so they were kind of looking at each other out of the corners of their eyes and finally this very dignified elderly lady kind of shrugged and she did that.  What happened is, now, I found out later that she is eighty-six years old, the Kabod of God, that weighty glory that was in that mantle when it rested on her, she felt it come on her and it made her sink, almost her posture was almost like your squatting.

Sid: Yes.

Bruce: And for about half an hour, she could not move.  Now physically even for a strong individual half an hour of squatting is very difficult; but for an elderly, that God changed her life.  Many of the teenagers when that happened began to see into the realm of the Spirit and saw the angels in there.  And just all sorts of sovereign supernatural things began to take place as well as healing and deliverance.

Sid: Now, let me ask you a question because as you talk about the anointing you have to activate people to see in the Spirit and experience these things that you’re experiencing.  Since your book is literally off the press, the title is “The Prophetic Promise of the Seventh Day” which you believe we’re entering into and this is the time that all of the it’s the entrance into it where the promises of God are going to be instant rather than taking twenty-thirty years; what do you prophetically see will happen to people that read your book?

Bruce: It will release and spark within them a revelation and an understanding of their birth rite and their destiny and will provoke them enough that we will begin to see the Body of Christ corporately, not just a select few individuals, the mystical few, begin to walk into the supernatural.  And understand that it’s the normal Christian experience, not the super or abnormal.

Sid: You know I like to say that if we had Christians today like we had at the first church every Christian would have their own television show.  That’s what you’re saying I believe; that we’re ready to enter into that again.

Bruce: Oh, absolutely, absolutely you’re familiar as we talked earlier with seed time and harvest.

Sid: Yes.

Bruce: The Lord showed me the biblical, His heart about seed time and harvest.  If you want more revelation, you give away what you’ve got.  If you want more anointing, you sow what you have.

Sid: Oh, you realize how much revelation and anointing you’re going to get from doing this revelation, show and then my television show?  How many people are going to be receiving it?  How about this book?  Because I know that as I’m reading this book I feel the presence of God and you show, I mean you would convince any biblical student that this is God’s time for the promises to manifest in their life.  I believe their going to see what areas will promises manifest in your opinion?

Bruce: Every area, yeah it covers the whole spectrum of human existence not only in the natural, but in the supernatural.

Sid: You talk about rest in this book; we’re living in such uncertain trying times, “What is God’s definition of rest?”

Bruce: Well, according to the book of Hebrews “There is now therefore a rest for the people of God,” and that rest is ceasing from our own works as God did.  If we look at what God did when He ceased, it was because it was complete, God entered into rest because it was a completion.  People of God, the rest that we’re going to enter into is understanding the fullness the completion of every covenant promise in our life.  It is going to bring us to the place of rest.  We no longer have to strive by the arm of flesh…

Sid: Well, what about the person that’s listening right now and they are about ready to lose their house?

Bruce: The God of all provision is there for the person that relies upon him right now.

Sid: See, I believe we’re coming into such trying times that you wrote this book so that people can move into those promises.

Bruce: Can I share something that’s happened just locally?

Sid: Tomorrow because we’re out of time.

Woman 1: I was very sick and I could not understand why God didn’t heal me.

Man: I felt as if all my prayers were being blocked.

Woman 2: I just couldn’t forgive my father for leaving us. It was like a cancer eating me up on the inside.

Sid: You know, there is a real consequence to sin. There’s a real consequence to unforgiveness. Peter Horrobin, tell me about Sarah.

Peter: Sarah was very badly abused by her father and the consequence of that abuse was long term. But you know, as she was growing up between the age of 9 and 18, she was constantly being used in a sexual and a physical way. When we first met her, she was in psychiatric care because in her late 30s she had completely fallen apart. She could no longer keep all the pain down and it broke out, and she was in psychiatric care, and she was on a lifetime psychiatric disability pension in the United Kingdom. The psychiatrist didn’t believe there was any hope for her. And it was at that point she heard about our retreat and she got permission to come out of hospital under the care of the psychiatrist to come on this retreat. And she learned about forgiveness. She didn’t want to forgive. She’d had a terrible experience. And yet, unless she’d forgive, and she knew that from the Word of God, unless she forgave she would never be able to enter into the freedom that Jesus had for her. It was a long process. But she came to that point of saying, “I choose to forgive.” The psychiatrist, he was amazed when he saw her again. Yes, she wasn’t completely whole. She wasn’t off medication, but she was different. And so he gave permission for her to come for a longer period of time. Three months later, my wife went back to see the psychiatrist with her and he said, “I don’t need to see you again.” She was off all medication. She had been able to forgive, and not only forgive, the healing had been flowing on the inside. Today she is totally restored. Having come from a lifetime of psychiatric disability, she’s now completely whole. She’s more whole perhaps than anybody I had ever known.

Sid: Peter, I am feeling, I don’t know what it is. It’s a presence of God. It’s like honey. It’s smooth. You’re supposed to pray right now for people. There’s an anointing for something special right now.

Peter: There are many people who are watching this who have issues in their life, perhaps people who have been especially abused. They’ve struggled with things in secret, and I’m speaking to you right now. If you know that in your past there are people who have done things to you, unspeakable things, things that perhaps you have never been able to talk about. They’ve robbed of you your future. They’ve robbed you of relationships that have made it impossible for you to live in a normal way. I want you right now to ask God to give you the grace to forgive them, to release them into the freedom of your forgiveness and to say, “I choose now to forgive John, forgive Mary”, whatever their name may be, for whatever it is they’ve done and say, “I release you”. And then ask Jesus to come and heal you. Ask him to come and set you free. Ask him to come and set you free from the powers of darkness. Ask him to let you out of the prison that you’re in so that you can begin to get out into the open spaces of life and begin to enter into your destiny. He will do it. It’s our choice whether we want to ask him to do it. I pray that you’ll have the courage to make that choice.

Sid: The presence of God is so sweet. Tell me about the woman that had her fourth pregnancy and enough was enough.

Peter: This was an amazing story because she couldn’t afford to have another child and she fell pregnant, and she wished this child dead. She wanted it to die in the womb. And so she actually cursed this child to death. The child didn’t die. Many, many years later, something like 40 years later, she was present in one of my conferences and she heard me teaching about the words that we say can bring cursing upon other people. And she suddenly was convicted by the Spirit of God about what she said about her daughter. And she came and asked for prayer. And she confessed of her sin. And I spoke forgiveness to her. And she was just about to sit down when I suddenly heard the voice of God saying, “You’ve got to pray for the daughter.” So I called her back and through the mother I prayed for this woman, who I didn’t know anything about her.

Sid: She wasn’t even there.

Peter: She wasn’t even there. I just prayed that God would set her free from whatever had come upon her in her mother’s womb. A year later back in the same church, this woman came running across the hall of the church with a photograph of a baby. Now here’s this woman. She’s in her mid-60s and I thought, this is a miracle.

Sid: Peter, does this look familiar?

Peter: That’s the baby. And she said, “This baby was born to my daughter. Do you remember praying for her?” And for a moment I didn’t. But then I was reminded and she told me the story that this woman, her daughter, had been married for 14 years and they had been unable to conceive a child and were told that there was no hope whatsoever that they could ever have a child. Within a week of me praying for the daughter to be set free from whatever curses came upon her because of the wrongful words of her mother, she conceived a child, and this woman is so thrilled. She now has a grandson.

Sid: People are being healed right now. Tell them. Speak to them.

Peter: Yeah. As you receive truth into your heart about what God does to other people, you know what it does? It lifts your faith. And as you suddenly can see that if God’s done it for somebody else, He can do it for me. So receive that now. Receive the joy of healing and the joy of healing flows out of your spirit into your soul and into your body. So invite Jesus now to let the joy of his healing flow through your spirit into your soul, into your body as you forgive others, as you confess the things that you’ve done wrong. You know, it says in James, “Confess your sins once and know that you may be healed.” As we bring to God the things that we’ve done wrong that He can bring His restoring life into our lives and give us back our destiny.

Sid: You know, I think it’s interesting. You talk about people have to forgive, ask for forgiveness for what they’ve done. They need to forgive other people. They, some of you need to forgive God. If in one minute, you can tell me a story of someone that needed to forgive.

Peter: Yeah. See, if we blame God for things that He’s not done we’re actually putting Him, as it were, in the jail.

Sid: Stupid!

Peter: Absolutely. Satan is the god of this world, that man through his sin has put Satan in place, and the bad things that happen are Satan’s fault. So if we blame God, what we’re actually doing is saying that God is responsible for the works of the enemy. And sometimes people need to get to that place of saying, “God, I am sorry for blaming you.” You know, there’s many, many people who have had to walk this through. Sarah was one of those. She had to come to that place of saying, “God, why didn’t you protect me?” She was blaming God for the fact that she was not protected from her father’s abuse. And she said, “God, I am sorry for blaming you.”

Sid: “Father, forgive them. They know not what they do.” That was the prayer from the cross. And the moment, the second someone does something against you, say that, even out loud if necessary. Father, forgive them. They’re ignorant. They know not what they do. I want you to see those same people you saw that said they could not forgive, at the beginning of this segment, and here’s what they’re going to say after they’ve forgiven. Look at the change in their life. Same change is going to happen in your life.

Woman 1: See, once I truly, truly forgave them for what they did to me only then did God heal me.

Man: It’s like the heavens are no longer brass. My prayers seem to be getting right through to God Himself.

Woman 2: You’ll never know the freedom that it brings until you learn the importance of forgiveness.