It's Supernatural

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be able to hear God’s voice for themselves; wouldn’t that be wonderful?  Wouldn’t it be wonderful to be able to do what Jesus did, Jesus said, “I only do what I see,” s-e-e what I see my heavenly Father doing.  My guest, Mark Virkler has written an interactive book called “How to Hear God’s Voice?”  And Mark if someone goes through this entire interactive book what should they expect?

Mark:  They should expect to hear the voice of God; see vision and be able to write out page after page on a daily basis of what God is saying to them.

Sid:  Now, I would like to find out where the rubber hits the road so to speak in your life through hearing God’s voice and journaling.  How this has affected you and changed you; give me some real life stories.

Mark:  Well, everything in my life changed but let’s start with one story of a real trauma that I went through that needed to get healed by the power of God and how He healed it through His voice and vision.  The trauma was after I had worked for a number of years for a church I was fired instantaneously, they called me one night at 7:00 and said, “We want to have breakfast with you.”  And I said, “Sure.”  We had breakfast the next morning and they said, “We terminated your position last night in the board meeting, we want you to clear out your office today and leave.”  Ha-ha and I laughed because I knew they were joking, but they weren’t and man talk about being wounded because I worked there for seven years, and I planned on being there for the rest of my life and their kicking me out.  And so I got really angry and I got really bitter.

Sid:  Did they give you good reasons?

Mark:  No, they gave me a few reasons that they had, but none of them were really the real reasons, okay but they were the reasons that they gave me; and none were valid I think in my book.  But I think I do know what the valid reasons were and that’s fine, but basically I was angry and bitter you know and for the next six months I was angry and bitter and then I had arthritis in my knuckles for the next six months because of anger and bitterness.  I had arthritis in my knee and I realized fine, now I’m going to be crippled in my old age because of these miserable people and what they’ve done to me.

Sid:  So now your unemployed and getting crippled, ha-ha.

Mark:  Exactly, and so I said, “I don’t want to be crippled so I said fine I forgive them,” but I still hated them so that didn’t work.  So I said, “Fine, I really really forgive them and I still hated them.  And I said fine, “I really, really forgive them” and I still hated them and I said, “Guess what this prayer wasn’t working” and I had finally learned that if one prayer doesn’t work try a different style of prayer and I realized there are different styles of prayer.  One style is inner healing, so I said, “I’m going to try inter-healing kind of prayer” and inner healing is when I invite Jesus into the scene to see what He’s doing because the picture I’m looking at in my mind doesn’t include Jesus.  I’m looking at these three men in the restaurant table and me sitting across from them and them firing me and blood all over the floor and I’m stabbed to death and Jesus was nowhere in my picture.  So the question of course would is that a true picture or is that a picture with a lie in it?  And the answer is it would be a picture with a lie in it because the truth is Jesus is Immanuel, God with us.  And so I said, “Fine, I need to do inner healing and invite Jesus into the scene because I know He was there.”  And in my morning devotions I said, “Lord Jesus where were You at in this restaurant?”  And so I looked around and the picture in my mind’s eye was to see if I could find Jesus.  And I figured He probably had a baseball bat and He was clubbing them to death and you know “How dare you touch my son you know.”  And so I’m looking for visions and the picture that lights up on my mind is Jesus standing off where the waiter would stand in the ally way and He’s laughing hilariously and slapping His knees?  And I said, “Excuse me I’m bleeding to death over here what is so funny?”  And I’m tuned to spontaneous flowing thoughts and I’m journaling and writing down what Jesus is saying and He says, “Mark, don’t you know I set this whole thing up?”  and I said, “Don’t tell me that I’ll get mad at you too,” and He said, “Mark I have told you now for two years to get on the road and teach communion with God and you wouldn’t go so I just helped you by throwing you out of the nest.”  And I said, “Yeah, but I’m going to die.”  He said, “Well, you want…

Sid:  Now are you seeing this and like watching a movie screen; what’s going, how are you receiving this?

Mark:  I’m receiving this the same way you saw this snap shot, yesterday’s session.  A picture or spontaneous picture lit up on my mind, I mean I started the scene by picturing in my mind the restaurant table with the three men was there.  And so that’s a godly imagination okay, and then I asked the Holy Spirit to take it over; I invited the Holy Spirit to take it over and He took it over.  Jesus showed up and Jesus showed up in that picture inside of my mind it’s moving, Jesus is moving, He’s laughing so it’s spontaneous pictures on the screen inside my mind and the words are spontaneous thoughts coming to me which I am writing down.  Okay.

Sid:  Okay.

Mark:  Flowing words, flowing pictures; “Because out of your innermost being shall flow.”  So when you are tuned to flow you’re tuned to the Holy Spirit.

Sid:  So after having a vision like this did you have any problem with forgiveness?

Mark:  Well, I said, “Lord I was going to leave I just wanted to pay some bills off you know and get some money in the bank.”  He said, “How long would that have taken you?” Because I had $15,000 in bills and I was only making $22,000 a year and I had a family of four to support.  And I said “Lord, it would probably taken me thirty years,” that’s why I kicked you out because you would have never fulfilled your destiny.  And He said, “You can see these men as wicked men or you can see them as instruments in my hand thrusting you into your destiny, and if you see them as wicked men it’s going to produce crippleness and poor health and destruction for you and if you see them as instruments in my hand it will produce life and fulfillment.”  He said, “You choose the picture you want to look at.”  I said, “Well, I think I should go with the second one because I don’t want to be crippled in my old age so.”

Sid:  So what happened with your arthritis?

Mark:  Instantly went away.

Sid:  Instantly?

Mark:  Well, within twenty-four hours the pain…

Sid:  That’s instant, that’s instant.

Mark:  It’s down to 50% down, you know because I just couldn’t hate any more okay and hatred just pours toxins into your joints you know and you can’t hate because when you hate I turn you over to the tormentors, which are demons.  So I also renounced any demons that have attached themselves to me; and so between those two things within less than a week all pain was gone, okay.  So He brought emotional healing, spiritual healing, physical healing and I wrote on a three by five card, the Lord said “Mark, I want you to have me show you all the gifts that are placed in your life through the seven years that you’ve worked at that church.  And so I wrote them all down tuned into flow and had God show them to me.  It was a fabulous list of gifts.  And He said, “Put that at eyeball level and look at that because whatever you fix your eyes on grow within you.”  And whatever to become, so I’ve learned that a hurt is healed when you can see the gifts that God was producing in your life through it; and I put those gifts at eyeball level and yes, I was able to forgive, release, honor and bless them for doing something for me that I was afraid to do myself.

Sid:  Mark, give me a few stories of people that have learned to hear God’s voice and it’s helped them in their business.

Mark:  Well, Sid, one person I can share with you is Bill Duplay, he works as one of the Vice Presidents at Hewlett Packard in Canada, he goes to John Arnotts church out there Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship.  And he’s been involved in renewal all of his life and he’s taken out course, communion with God and all of his life he’s been getting creative stuff for the business field.  And they’ve send him all over the world as one of their spokesmen because he’s so effective and so good.  And one of the things he told me this morning on the phone because he emailed me and was journaling and just to bounce it off for me, he believes in spiritual advisors too.  He said, “He has given, had printed up by Hewlett Packard, nine different leadership messages which Hewlett Packard has projected out to the entire company.  And he’s said he’s received all nine messages from the Holy Spirit as a Rhema Words, spontaneous flowing stuff which is direction for the company for the month, for the year; and the future.  And he said he gets it about six months before the rest of the company gets it and he releases it to them and they like it and they make it part of their leadership messages that they send out worldwide through Hewlett Packard.          `

Sid:   You know it occurs to me that we’re going through some pretty dark times in the world from an economic viewpoint, but it doesn’t have to be dark times for Bible believers and I think this is God’s supernatural transfer time where the wealth is going from the sinners to the righteous.

Mark:  Exactly, …we have thousands of groups actually

Sid: Well, give me another story of someone that it helped them in their business.

Mark:  Alright this was an email that I got from Suzanne; it was about a husband, Roger.  He was doing doctorial level mathematics thesis and he received revelation through a dream.  It was 1995, my husband Roger was working on his PHD Thesis in Aerospace Engineering.  He was working on robotics and the title of his thesis was Chemomatics and the Design of a Class of Parallel Manipulators.  Obvious so math was needed for the control of the parallel manipulators and the only trouble with the math was that it wasn’t working for Roger as he needed it to.  It was during a dream that night that Roger got an equation he needed to control his robot.  He got up and began writing down what he was getting and the math that he got in his dream led to a thirty-three page equation at the end of his thesis.  At the front of his thesis Roger stated I would like to thank God for giving me constant wisdom, guidance and strength.  And she said, “He got a lot of flack for that statement especially from his supervisor, but he never wavered because he knew the revelation he needed form that robot came from God through a dream at night.”

Sid: Mark, would you pray that those that are listening would experience this same flow of creativity?

Mark:   Yes, Father we thank you that you are the creator of the Universe and your creativity lives within us and you desire to release it out through us to touch and heal your world.  And so Father right now we open our hearts, we lift our hearts and our hands to you and we ask Holy Spirit anoint us, anoint our hearts with Devine creativity, anoint our minds with Devine creativity.  Allow us to see what You, see You in the spirit realm and what You want to release in this world.  And Father raise us up as the Spirit anointed leaders of who disciple nations and we’ll give you all glory, honor and praise for that which you do through us in Jesus Name.  Amen.

Sid:  You know Mark; I have to believe that what you are teaching is such essential mentoring information that every church and Bible study in the world should have this as foundational.  In fact I was reading in your book that Toronto Airport Vineyard uses this with their leadership.

Mark:  They surely do and they have me up about five times a year to teach this over and over and over in their church.